In a world that often champions independence and individual achievement, it is easy to overlook the profound impact that collaboration and mutual support can have on personal and professional growth. In this episode, Agi Keramidas sat down with Leo Bottary, author of Peernovation, to explore the life-changing value of peer learning. This conversation was not just a discussion about team dynamics or leadership theory. It was a deep dive into how our relationships with others shape the way we see ourselves, approach challenges, and pursue our aspirations.
Rethinking Help: A Shift in Perspective
One of the key ideas that emerged in the conversation was the redefinition of asking for help. Too often, seeking assistance is misinterpreted as weakness. Leo, however, insists that asking for help is a hallmark of successful people. They do not view it as failure but as an act of resourcefulness. This simple reframing can be a breakthrough for those who struggle with vulnerability and pride.
From Solo Learning to Collaborative Growth
Leo’s approach to learning and development is rooted in his own experience. He described how his mindset shifted when he returned to graduate school after more than two decades. In contrast to the individualistic learning style he had known during his undergraduate years, his postgraduate programme emphasised collaboration. He discovered that learning together not only improved retention of information but also created a more meaningful experience. This was reinforced through his later work with Vistage, an organisation that facilitates peer advisory groups for CEOs and business leaders around the world.
Collateral Learning: The Hidden Value of Conversations
A standout moment in the podcast was Leo’s emphasis on “collateral learning” – the unexpected lessons we pick up simply by being in conversation with others. Whether it is learning how to listen more attentively, how to ask more thoughtful questions, or how to see a situation from multiple perspectives, these skills are often acquired informally through peer interaction. They are, as Leo puts it, the kind of personal development skills that are useful in every area of life – not just in business meetings but also in our relationships, family dynamics and social interactions.
Creating Safe Spaces for Expression
The conversation also tackled the topic of safe spaces – environments where people feel free to express both their challenges and their dreams. Leo shared a touching example from his granddaughter’s classroom, where the teacher begins each day with a “clearing and celebration” session. This simple daily practice encourages children to speak about what is on their minds, whether it is a worry or a joy. It fosters empathy, emotional intelligence and communication skills from an early age. According to Leo, we would all benefit from carrying such habits into adulthood.
Peer Support and Purposeful Action
Another important takeaway from the episode is the idea that peer-based support can help individuals clarify their purpose and gain the confidence to act on it. Many people, as Agi observed, have read the books, taken the courses, and attended the retreats – and yet still feel unsure about their next step. What they might be missing is the power of a small, trusted group of peers to reflect back to them, to challenge their assumptions, and to offer encouragement and accountability. It is not about being told what to do, but about being truly seen and heard.
Intentionality and Everyday Growth
Leo also addressed the importance of intentionality – being clear on what you expect of yourself and how you want to engage with others. He encouraged listeners to start each day by reconnecting with their core values and desired behaviours. This kind of intentional reflection, especially when done in the company of trusted peers, can make a profound difference in one’s direction and sense of fulfilment.
Conclusion: We Grow Better Together
The episode closes with a reminder that self-help does not mean doing everything by yourself. It means recognising when to invite others in and being open to the wisdom, support and insight that they can offer. Leo Bottary’s message is both simple and powerful: we are better together, and our growth is amplified when we choose to journey with others.
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