#352 Harnessing the power of angelic assistance to navigate everyday life’s hurdles, with Isobel Gatherer.

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Isobel Gatherer  0:00  
You will get thoughts coming into your head, oh, maybe I should do such and such maybe that will help. And then you'll get confirmation. Either you'll hear something on the radio that's just basically confirmed the thought you've just had, or you'll be thinking about something. And then you'll see writing on a billboard. Or you will see a rainbow confirming or a white feather confirming what you're thinking. So, when you're getting these ideas coming through, maybe I should just go and do this. Follow it up.

Agi Keramidas  0:32  
Welcome to personal development mastery, empowering you with a simple system of actions needed to master yourself and create a life, purpose and fulfilment. I'm your host Agi Keramidas. And my mission is to inspire you to take action towards improving your life. In this podcast, I invite myself inside the minds of remarkable people and I distil their wisdom for you. So if you're ready to find practical insights that you can implement right now, make sure you follow the podcast and get the episodes as soon as they are released. Today, I am delighted to speak with Isobel Gatherer. Isobel, you are a psychic, intuitive reader, spiritual guidance mentor and energy healer. You work with entrepreneurs, creatives, healers, leaders and coaches, helping them find the sole purpose and get it out to the world whilst living a happy and abundant life. Isobel welcome to Personal Development mastery. It's a real pleasure to speak with you today. Thank

Isobel Gatherer  1:45  
you very much. Thank you for inviting me on today. It's a pleasure to be here.

Agi Keramidas  1:49  
It is I was telling you just before we started recording, it is a topic that we will discuss to the angels and how they can help us on our journey. It is a topic that I'm personally very much intrigued by and also something that I haven't had the opportunity to discuss so much in the podcast so far. So that really gives me so much excitement about this. Before we go into that specific conversation about angels and how they can help us or that Jamie, I would like to ask Isabel for some kind of your background in specific hotel. I was intrigued when I was reading your story was that everything changed very much to you in your 40s in your late 40s. You have had a very different life before before then. So you want to share maybe a key defining moment that led you to you know what you're doing today, which is so different. Yeah,

Isobel Gatherer  2:59  
I could tell you straight away what it was it was getting a dog. I'd had dogs before and I was a no you wouldn't expect him that one were you. I'd had dogs before and I'd we'd seen a puppy up for sale. And I was working in corporate world. I was very blinkered very much in my corporate box, working really hard and being on the hamster wheel and coming home and going back to work. Anyway, we've got this puppy. And within Oh, he was just amazing. I lost him last year lost him last March. But he was the most amazing dog and I didn't want to leave him I wanted to be at home with him. So I hated the job I was in anyway because it was really boring. And so I thought I need to go into business on my own. And came into business on my own spend time at home started networking, meeting new people growing my business, which was as a virtual assistant at the time. And I worked with some incredible people. A lot of them, the universe had a way to get me in front of people who were very spiritual. And at first I didn't understand it. It was either too scientific for me. Then they put me in front of another client, another client who was very, very, very Woo. And very, you know, she used to channel I didn't understand that either. And then they got me in front of a lady who was very down to earth like me, and, but was also spiritual. And it was then that everything started to change and literally changed really quickly. But it was because of the dog. So I went into work on my own and started meeting some incredible people that I wouldn't have met otherwise. And then it was when I got in front of this lady and I started to work with she said to me, have you ever worked with Angel? I think I had a massive download. I did. I had a download one day and in the shower like we often do, and I've never had one never Well, I don't consciously I hadn't had one. And I was like oh Oh, this is incredible. So I've mentioned it to her. And she said, Oh, yeah, that's a download. And I was like, that's just mind blowing. And she just said to me, I think worked with angels before. And I said, No, I'm running a course. So she did this course I joined her. And that was it. That started me off. But what he did realise what I did realise actually, afterwards was, yes, I have worked with angels. I've worked with angels all my life, because I'm very much I talked to myself a lot. When I say I'm talking to myself, I always have done, if ever, there was a problem. And I've had lots of other quieter interests, interesting life, put it that way. I've had lots of stuff come up for me this lifetime that I've needed to clear. But obviously, at the time, I didn't know what was going on. And I've always spoken, believing I was talking, processing things myself, what I recognised was talking to my angels, and they were helping me so they've always been there for me, but just literally waiting me waiting for me to ask them. And then when I knew how to ask them and how to work with them, that's been it, then I've been bringing, bringing them through. They've helped me in so many ways over the last few years incredible ways that you just remember miraculous. And one of the things I did say was, I will go out and talk about you because more and more people, I think more and more, the more people who work with you, the better. It helps ease their problems in life. So that's it. That's really in a very, very nutshell. That's how I how it all came about.

Agi Keramidas  6:31  
Thank you. And just to clarify that. So before, before you had this connection with those spiritual people as virtual assistants that you said, Why are you spiritual later? Did you have any connection with, let's say spirituality.

Isobel Gatherer  6:50  
I've always loved being in nature. I've always connected much to to being with trees and stuff like that. I lost my parents, I was adopted as a baby and I lost my parents a very young age, I lost my dad when I was nine, I was very spiritual. I was a little girl and never seen things in my bedroom. And then the I just remember doing lots of stuff. And my dad was very ill. And I lost him when I was nine, but he'd been ill from when I was about seven. And things that happen. I was very open to seeing things. I was always crying out daddy, there's somebody in my bedroom and it was no Isabelle there isn't nobody there. But there was there was somebody there. And in later years I realised who that person was. But as a young child, and then like, like, often we do, okay, I must be imagining this. So I'm going to close it down. And we do that naturally. So yes, I had the sight as most children do. And I could hear and had conversations in my head as far as my grandma was very spiritual. She used to talk to her husband do died. For many, many years I used to hear when she was in bed, I could hear her talking to him. So I guess I've been brought up in that environment where it was normal. I had a reading back in the 90s my first ever reading which terrified me actually I was totally terrified. I was intrigued but terrified. And she told me that I had a guardian angel then but she didn't tell me how to work with him. And then she told me that my dad was looking after me as well. So yes, throughout the years there have been Inklings around it all. I've always been interested in healing. I used to want to be a nurse when I was growing up. I nurse my mom when she was dying as well, because my dad died when I was nine. My mom died when I was 17. So I nursed her. And I was always a care. I've always wanted to look after people. I've always wanted to help people. So that that's the healing side coming through. So yeah, it's been there. It's been there.

Agi Keramidas  9:00  
You're not there is something that I will remember something you told me. Before when we were arranging this interview about the topic of angels, you said that they are very popular with with listeners. And since we're going to I want to ask you a few more things about them. But can you tell me why you think they are so popular with the listeners?

Isobel Gatherer  9:31  
Well, I found that whenever I talk about angels with to on Instagram or on social media, people love the fact that they've got somebody looking after them. They love the fact that they're not on their own. They love the fact that their problems can be helped if they work with their angels, and I just think it's people have heard about them because obviously there's mentions of them in the Bible and other and other scripts. And I think it's you just feel that you're being looked after and reassured and held and supported and nurtured whether you whether you work with them or not, or whether you believe in them or not, that they the word angel almost gives you that feeling of security, and assist somebody's caring for you and helping you and my listeners, so my people on Instagram, just love when I talk about them. So and I just know myself that when I've been in my darkest hours when I've called them in to help me, it just you can feel that they're there with you, you can feel that they're looking after you and feel that they're taking care of you. And so many incidences when I've been on my own and struggling. The things that have happened have just been, you got it. It sounds mad when you say it's like, for example, there was one time when I was feeling very, very low. And I just thought right that said, I've had enough. I want to come back. I don't know how much more How worse can this life get. And it was not coming back yet. But I want to have had enough. And I remember feeling incredibly poorly one night and in the bathroom. And I kept falling to my knees. And nobody else is there with me. But I decided me. They were picking me up and putting me back on the side of the bath. When I fall on my knees again, I'd be picked up and that I mean, that sounds absolutely bonkers. But it happens, it happens. And the things that have happened over the years when I've seen angels as well, I remember seeing one once and he was absolutely massive. I was just like, through my my front room. And I got because of the door that used to go to the stairs where I used to live and I got to the door. And there was this huge figure out it was just pure silvery light. And I went oh, excuse me can't get the job. Like it was the most normal thing in the world. And this figure was I thought I didn't know what it was. But yeah, it's incredible. And I am really down to earth as well. I mean, that's, that's the funny thing about me, I am so down to earth. So like grounded and I could swear like a trooper able to drink like, like a sailor. And then there's me with a big angel in front of me, really. And I've seen that help people because of who I how I am. And so that they're like, well, she couldn't make it up which

Agi Keramidas  12:39  
I like the scripts like that. Let me ask you. I have and I will say a bit personally, I have felt support in periods of my life or in events of my life. I have felt guided and supported. When you say, angels, are we talking about the same as the spiritual guides that we have that help us? Is it the same? Is it something different so that I can understand that?

Isobel Gatherer  13:10  
Yeah, right. So we have angels usually haven't been human beings, they're just pure energy messages of God. And spiritual guides are often people have been people in real life, and maybe they've passed over and they're helping us from the other side. So it could be loved ones of yours, helping you. It could be people that you've met met in this lifetime, that weren't part of your family. It could be people from a past lifetime that are guiding you as well. So we will have a team. Usually we've got a team comprising of angels, and spirit guides, which are people who'd like to say they've been alive. Maybe some gods and goddesses. I mean, I worked with some of those as well. And God himself or her, you know, whichever way you want to see the energy, God's Source Energy lights. So we've got a team that look after us, should we wish to work with them. And a lot of people think that their guardian angel is a loved one who's passed over. It's not your guardian angel. We've all got our own guardian angel. And your guardian angel is with you every single time you incarnate and so would have been with you all the way through each journey. You've come on each time you've come back to planet earth. And in between, you have the same angel with you so that angel knows absolutely everything about you, past and present and future. And so when you work with your angels, your guardian angel, your guardian angel can help you to get to a place where you're meant to be at so that you meet who you're meant to be and the opportunities come into you as well because your guardian angel is here as part of your journey to get you where you need to be. And that's how I like to look at my angel as well.

Agi Keramidas  15:02  
This clay nice, thank you for clarifying that for me, now I get it. And there was, you spoke about, you know, working with working with angels and I got your you have a guide, a downloadable, downloadable guide on your website we'd say read with great interest about how our angels and guides are supporting us and there was something there that caught my attention. And you're saying that remember that they have your back, and they will never let you down. They will never give up on you. So that was that comment in mind? What would you say to someone listening and saying, This can't be the way that my life or these events have happened? There's no way that I have a guardian angel protecting me otherwise I wouldn't be in this. Blah, blah, whatever situation it is, what would you say?

Isobel Gatherer  16:03  
Exactly? Exactly what you have to ask them to help you. The initial thing is to remember that you have got one there. But they do not intervene in our lives unless we ask them to help them to ask them to help us because they are not allowed to this law. We have to we got our own. We've got our own will our own we are well we do the life we will live our life the way we want to live it and then no, we have things come up for us. We all do. That's part of our human journey. That soul, soul journey and a human body. We have these things coming up for them, depending on what life what life you've chosen, but your angel is by your side. Now, if you've never asked your angel for help, probably now's a good time to do it, especially if you're going through some difficult periods, which is one of the reasons as well, we've got so many angels around us at the moment, because of what we're going through here on planet Earth. We need their help, and they're there. But unless we ask them they can't intervene. The only time they ever intervene, if it's not. And we haven't asked them is if it's for example, a life and death matter. And you're about to go you're about to die, and it's not your time to die, they will step in and rescue you, which is what often why you hear about these accidents where people have been in a car crash and they get up and they walk off and they're fine. Because your angel has stepped in to help you. So if you need help at the time, is to start asking them now. And it's as simple as just saying, Please angels, can you help me? Or guardian angel? Please? Can you help me? I need help with this. You know, that

Agi Keramidas  17:51  
was my my next My next question to you, Isabel would be how, how can you ask for help? Which you? Is it just a matter of asking? Do you have to have some certain certain, let's say vibration or emotion or belief in that for for? Or is it just a matter of asking, as you said,

Isobel Gatherer  18:15  
it's a matter of asking, it's a matter of belief would be great, but it doesn't matter? Because if you ask them, they'll show you anyway. So say for example, what do you need help with and say you can try and be as specific as possible, even though they know what you need. Okay. And you can just say, guardian angel, please please step in. So you can perhaps feel them around you if you wish, but just know that there anyway, please, can you help me with this. And it could be something really simple like finding a car parking space, or getting the lid off the jar. I've asked them for that. It doesn't have to be a massive, massive, massive thing. It can be something really simple like that. Or please can you help me to get there on time, and then you'll probably see the traffic lights changing quickly and you pull up and maybe you get to a meeting. And maybe if you are a little bit late, the people who were holding the meeting are late as well. So you're still there on time. You know, they will help you. They will help you to do these things and the biggest things as well. They're there to help. I mean, I went through the story I often tell is and I put my my poor angels I put them through so much. And I say angels because we've got a guardian angel of our own. We've got Archangels around us as well. And Archangels work with everybody. And we've also got a whole host of angels there now. So you've got guiding angels and all sorts of angelic assistance. So you don't even need to know who worry about who you're asking. You just say angels, please can you help me? And I put them through the mail. I mean, I was going through the mail in 2014 all the way through to the end of 2006. Now, August 2016 I was going through a really awful divorce and it was really bad and very, very traumatic for me and I was losing everything. And I just used to sit there every morning angels knew about me and telling them what I needed, how much money I needed to come in. How pleased how can you help me with this, that and the other and every single time they showed up. So all that time, from when I started working with them, it's probably about the end of 2014, beginning 2015 On this specific thing, all the way through to August 2016. Every single month without fail, I brought in the amount of money that I needed. And in that Shawn paper, it shouldn't have happened on paper, it didn't look like it was, but I managed to pay my bills every single month without having much money coming in. Because one way or another that came through. I was having checks dropping that I was having member PPI there's this PPI thing going on years ago where you have to claim if you thought he'd been mis sold ppi. I remember claiming for some and then they'd written to me and said, No, I'm sorry, we can't give you this one. That's not You're not liable for that one. I remember 16 months later that dropping in as a check saying that we made a mistake. Here you go. Here's some money. So it's Mac miraculous. So yeah, so you've it doesn't have to be a big thing. But if you've got big things going on, ask them to help you because they will they really well, that's what they're here for. Here is to make our journey as simple as possible, if we allow them to

Agi Keramidas  21:31  
thank you the question that comes to mind now after what you just said, is that okay, so let's say we are asking for some help. And to some extent, something, let's say miraculous will happen or the angel will put things in place for us to happen. My my question with this involves the the other part, which is the actual us what what is it that we have to do in order to do that? Because surely, it's not possible to just ask for for your angel to help you and then sit at home doing nothing and keep on asking with that there has to be some kind of involvement in our own part. So how does that work in combination.

Isobel Gatherer  22:21  
So what you'll get to say is just humbly ask and then trust and believe that they've got your back, and they're going to look after you. But like you say, often there's intervention, we have to start doing things, sometimes you'll drop in, sometimes, straightaway, something will happen. Sometimes we don't have to do anything. But often, it is us stepping up as well, they will ask us to step up and start to do some stuff ourself. So you will get thoughts going into your head, oh, maybe I should do such and such, maybe that will help. And then you'll get confirmation. Either you'll hit your hair, something on the radio, that's just just basically confirm the thought you've just had, or you'll be thinking about something. And then you'll see writing on a billboard. Or you will see a rainbow confirming or a white feather confirming what you're thinking. So when you're getting these ideas coming through, maybe I should just go and do this. Follow it up. When you get more debt working with them, you could then just say, Jim, want me to go and do that and you'll get a yes or no. But at first it might just be I really think I need to go and do that. Because I've just had that mentioned to me three times now. Or you might in the synchronicities that come through the confirmation like one thing. So for example, one thing I was asking myself a question before I went on my travels, shall I get a motorhome? Or shall I get a caravan? We go backwards and forwards, backwards or forwards, backwards and forwards. And I was having this conversation because I'm clairaudient so I hear things. Shall I get one? Well, due to due to digital, okay, I'll get a motorhome. And as I looked down, as I said, I'll get a motorhome, I'll look down and on the pavement, there was a bit of cardboard with a great big tick on it. Yes, that's right, you get a motorhome. Honestly, this is how it happens. Or you might see some people drive past with advice on the car or somebody waves here is to say yes, that's right. It's just amazing how it works. So it's about being open to receive these answers. And also knowing that you do need to take some self responsibility as well. So which is what you're talking about. When we know that we we are responsible for our life and we are but they are by our side guiding us, then we can just go okay, that's a really good idea, guys. Thank you. I'll go and start doing that. Another example of that is before I was doing readings, this is a really good example of how this works. So I was started doing angel card readers but I was doing them for friends and family and I wasn't charging anything. And I had a tax bill coming up. This is about same time when I was worried I was struggling, and a tax bill coming up. And it was, it wasn't a lot. But it was more than I had at the time. I think it was 222 pounds or something like that. So November, I was thinking, I've got this tax bill, I've got to raise this money. And faster to the guys put majors, please, can you help me with this? And I got, yes, you can start charging for your readings. And I'm like, oh, no, no, I'm not good enough for that. I can't do that. Yes, you start charging for your readings, start charging 10 pound a reading. And I was in a Social Media Group, a little networking group. And so I really braved it. And I've put an advert out there. If anybody wants an angel card reading their 10 pounder reading, you can book in here, so message me if you want to book in. And I kept a list of the names. And I said to the guy, I said to the angels, I could do I want this one, either the third week of January to make sure I've got enough time to pay it in case I need to find it from somewhere else. So anyway, I kept a list of the names and the third week of January, I counted it up. And I've done 22 readings at 10 Point reading just enough money to pay my taxes. And they got me out reading for people. So that's how it works.

Agi Keramidas  26:15  
Thank you. Because you answered exactly what I was asking you. And you said, especially when you're talking about these ideas that might come to you to follow up on the ideas or in other words, to take action on on the ideas and not just let it be an idea that will be forgotten. You mentioned readings. And I want to ask, so during the reading, is it the same? Being sort of the same angels or guides that you get the information from that you give to the person I mean, their own team of guides and angels? Or is it something different?

Isobel Gatherer  27:03  
It's usually my team of guides and angels. And so I have I know who's been with me for the readings. But it's, we tap into their energy as well. So I could do it online. I can do it. I prefer to do it face to face or over zoom. So I can tap into that person's energy. But I've also got my team of guides with me, which are made up mainly of angels. But I've also got, I worked with goddess Isis and I worked with Quan Yin as well. But it's usually archangels and their guardian angel, who I tap into when I'm reading for people. So I ask me how it works? Because I really don't know.

Agi Keramidas  27:49  
It's okay with that Oh

Agi Keramidas  27:55  
no, that's not. That's not what I wanted to ask. But what I do want to ask is about the actual guidance that one can get through a reading. So really, what my question is, what kind of guidance? can someone expect? Let's say someone listening to us right now has never had a reading what kind of guidance can they expect to have? And if I can also ask, why. These they give these guidance. I hope that makes sense.

Isobel Gatherer  28:34  
Okay. Yes, totally. So, why they give the guidance is to help people on their journey and to overcome any obstacles that they're coming up against, which is obviously why often why people have readings with me. The guidance we give is unconditional. It's based on unconditional love. So we don't make anything up. But neither do we give really bad news unless it's asked for I do not believe in doing that. If somebody said to me something I would have to answer honestly. But I'm not one of these to go Oh, it's just a surprise goodbye next week. I just couldn't you know when I might get it come through for me. But I would never put it all over to that person unless they asked me. So it's, it's, it's delivered with loving kindness. It's unconditional love involved in this and it's actually to help people on their life path. Some people come to me because they want to know what their life path is, what their life journey, what their path is, what they're meant to be doing in their life. Some people come to me because most people are investors nowadays, the people who I worked for entrepreneurs or coaches, or to say leaders, because they've got they're working with other people as well and they know where they've put like purposes and they want to get their work out into the world. So that's why they come for guidance and A lot of people come because they're unhappy. And they want to see this something better on the other side. And they want to know how to get there. Sometimes they just want to know what the next step for them, what should I do next. So we do it to help people to move forward and to get their work into out into the world. I mean, some people, depending on who's coming for the reading, some people come and they get something they've never even expected, because some amazing stuffs coming through that I'm channelling for them. And they might have had an inkling about it, but it's just come through, I need to just give you a message and the guys blah, blah, blah, and they're like, whoa, well, that makes sense, then bluffs lot with questions I was going to ask. So and then they ask their questions. So it depends who's coming for the reading. It's depends how we how we do it, but we deliver it as much as we can with love, guidance and support. Does that make sense? I suppose I'm just a messenger from them. To bring it through.

Agi Keramidas  30:57  
Yeah, yes, it does make sense? Absolutely. I was thinking, I had a few readings in the past, myself. And I remember one one element of this guidance that, for me was very powerful was that the knowing that these ideas, these words, they come from a higher power or my higher self for the divine, however you want to call it so that was, for me, a an element that reinforced the importance of those things. Because otherwise, you know, you can have someone can tell you some really great ideas about, you know, you ask a friend, I'm stuck with this, and the give you a fantastic solution. But I think and that's what I was trying to say earlier that the knowing that this idea comes really directly from a higher intelligence, that for me, was in a useful element to really take some action on those ideas to implement them. Because, yeah, the guidance is one thing. Doing, you know, implementing the guidance and doing something different. That's fine, especially if it is something that might take you out of what you normally do, or how you know, life normally is I mean, it's, it can be difficult.

Isobel Gatherer  32:38  
Definitely. And that's another reason why it's another reason to work with your angels, because it's what I also encourage people to do at the most now is to go inside, go into your heart and into your soul as your higher self to find the answers. And then you tell your personality to do the work. But you also say to your guides, or your angels, angels, please can you help me to do this? So you, if you have in a reading and the angels or comes through that you have to do such and such and you get your voice out there and start to make a difference in the world. And you might think, Oh, my God, I don't do that. I need some help with that. Then you could say to your guides and your angels, please, can you help me? To do this? Please? Can you send me the opportunities that I need to have to get me out there? Please? Can you give me the strength and courage I need to get out there? I mean, I'm always asking them for that. Guys, please, can you help me? You know, especially if things are going around in your head, like, oh, I need to get on my head. Get into my heart, guys. Please, can you help me to do to get out there, please? Can you give me the voice I need to get out there. So they're there to help us enormous not just to bring the messages through but to guide us and help us and supporters. And to bring in those opportunities that you need to give you that next step forward. Does that make sense? Thank

Agi Keramidas  33:54  
you. Yes, it does. You're mentioned and I wanted to ask you, let's say someone listening now wants to improve? Or what you use the phrase work with with them a few times. So let's say someone wants to work with them, obviously, you mentioned many times about asking them for help. Is there any other let's say practical things that one can do to let's say, improve this communication between his or her angels?

Isobel Gatherer  34:33  
Yeah. Yeah. So it's also about trusting, believing and being patient because not always, you know, even when you've asked for something, it might not come in straight away. So remember that they're working on your behalf and you might have to be patient to receive it. So trusting and believing, being patient, don't get frustrated, they will have heard you but it's also about it They're just kicking in now, it's also about taking your blinkers off and being open to receive the messages and the signs and the guidance that are going to give you. So these people who walk around with their headphones on all day glued to their phone, won't probably get the messages coming through. Because unless they're standing on their screen like this, they don't, they're not seeing anything. They're not hearing anything apart from what's coming through their headphones, take your headphones off, turn your phone off, get out into nature, get out to the outside world and start to look around you, using all your normal senses, your eyes, your ears, you taste, just smell, get out there and start opening up because you will not receive the messages unless you do. Does this make sense? Because this really bugs me when people I've not heard anything from them. Take time out for you take time out for you so that you can relax so that you can hear, see, feel what's coming in for you. Some people are, we've all got these senses, all of us have got these amazing senses, but we don't use them always. I'm clairaudience. So I hear but it's not necessarily in my ears, it's in my head as thoughts. I do sometimes get it in my ear. If it's really important. I'll get a it's about doing something. And I'm taking notice, but it's usually a thought. Some people see with their third eye, they don't see what their two eyes but they see with their third eye. So you're in you're in your head when you're seeing visions. Notice your dreams, notice what's coming through for you in your dream states. If you keep hearing the same word over and over again, why have I heard that? Is this something I should be looking into. So there's signs coming away. But if you've got your face glued to your phone or the TV, you're not going to get them you're not going to hear them, you're not going to see them, you're not going to feel them. So it's about connecting in and connecting into nature. And nature doesn't have to be out in the countryside. It can be in a local park, it can be by a river, it can be by a pond, it can be somewhere where you can breathe, and you can see trees and sky and that sort of thing. And everybody's got access to that. Everybody. And if for some reason you can't get out then you use your imagination. And you remember being in nature, this is really important. And they're getting a bit animated about this. Can you tap but it's true. And that's that's usually when people say I haven't had a message back for them. Have you been noticing? No, I'm too busy. While you notice, even things like when you're doing the menial tasks like peeling vegetables or having a shower. Like I said earlier on, they get a download. It's always there was a time to get these ideas coming through or you'll get these messages coming through. And if you get something note it down Don't forget about it or then just become curious about it. And say is this from you? Are you glad to get feeling the SE tissue here? Is it yes it is or you'll get a rainbow say yes, it is. Just that makes sense. But and all these people say I've actually never happens it's because you're not allowing it in. And the other thing, the other thing you asked for advice, they give you advice. It's not always what you want to hear. Because sometimes it could be like I had yes this about will get you the money but you've got to step up and start reading the people. Yes, you've got to start doing what you've been prompted to do for the last three months you know, so yes, we can help you but you've got to start doing something for you. And we don't always want to hear that

Agi Keramidas  38:41  
yes sometimes it's it may maybe it's part of the nature of our nature to expect some things to be taken care of for us which is not necessarily how it goes Thank you very much for this answer that you gave me about all those things one can do the what you said about nature and taking your the phone off your face. These are so important things and yet so many completely unconsciously that they carry on doing that is where will where will you direct the listener who has found this conversation fascinating and wants to find out more about you?

Isobel Gatherer  39:29  
Well, I've got a website which is www dark dot Isabel gather a.com And I'm also on Instagram, and it's about gather as well. Or you can email me at Isabel Isabel gather a.com

Agi Keramidas  39:43  
Thank you I will put the link in the show notes and I will say that your website which I was reading it carefully as preparation for this and I really enjoyed your website so and I very much enjoyed strike will also recommend to the listener you have a downloadable PDF about how to how to interpret or get the messages that your angels are trying to send you. It's, it's very simple to understand beautiful, very thin. So I will also direct the listeners to that. I would like to ask you a couple of quickfire questions which I always ask my guests, just to wrap things up is Oberland. The first one is, what does personal development mean to you?

Isobel Gatherer  40:39  
Whoa, yeah, it's very important to me, because it's helped me to, it's helped me to discover who I truly am. And my gifts. And actually, it's brought me peace. Sometimes it can be difficult. So again, like we've just been saying, sometimes it can be why on earth have I started this? But actually, I can honestly say over the last few months, I'm purely a piece and I didn't never ever in my life, thought I'd say that, but I am. Thank you.

Agi Keramidas  41:10  
And let's say you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give her? Oh,

Isobel Gatherer  41:20  
oh, gosh, believe in yourself is about trust your intuition. Don't stay away, don't stay around somebody who doesn't serve you for too long. Get out of there. And know that you can have whatever you want to have in your life and your it really is your oyster. So that

Agi Keramidas  41:44  
beautiful piece of advice for writing for any 18 year olds. I completely agree. I want to thank you very much for this conversation. I I enjoyed it so much. And, you know, you reinforced in me this notion of you know, having help. And the more you ask, the more you get. And you have to ask because that's how the that's how it goes. So thank you very much for that's how it works. So thank you very much for the wisdom that you shared with us today. Any last parting words?

Isobel Gatherer  42:31  
Live life the full basically and just also. It is about being positive, even when you're going through something quite awful. Believe you may I know. Try and stay on the positive side and be open to miracles and ask your guides to come and help you because honestly, they will see you through they will guide you through and in your darkest hour. They are there for you. So please, please call on them to help you get through it.

Agi Keramidas  43:04  
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