Natalie Bailey is a confidence coach, property developer and public speaker, helping entrepreneurs to shift their mindset to one of abundance and confidence. She is the host of the globally ranked podcast Confidence Mastery: Unlock Your Life, which discusses confidence, mindset, entrepreneurship & business. She is a disciplined gym nut, a keen traveller, and on a mission to impact the world and motivate others to make positive changes in their lives.
This conversation was a common one we recorded for both our podcasts.
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* Personal development and confidence building
* Mastering one’s confidence
* Two parallel journeys of growth and speaking
* The power of podcasting
* Consistency equals success
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Natalie’s podcast: https://nataliearabella.com/#podcast
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EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
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Natalie Bailey 0:00
It's like that saying isn't it, people don't remember what you said to them but they will always remember how you made them feel. So if we can make people feel good through this and they have an effect on other people and we can we you know, we can change the world one episode at a time you know just one person at a time. And that's when things start to snowball.
Agi Keramidas 0:27
You are listening to personal development mastery podcast where you will find both the inspiration to grow and the actions to implement towards your next level. I am your host Agi Keramidas and my mission is to inspire you to stand out and live your best life. I interview thought leaders, authors, entrepreneurs, spiritual teachers, exceptional people who will inspire you to improve your life and offer through their wisdom actions, you can take an implement. Tune in for two new episodes each week and make sure you follow the podcast to get the episodes as soon as they are released.
Today's episode is quite unique because it was a common conversation across two podcasts. This one and Natalie Bailey self confidence mastery unlock your life podcast. I have known Natalie for a few years now. And I actually interviewed her on my previous podcast three years ago. So but a lot has happened since them. One of them is that she also has a podcast. Now. This is a genuine unscripted conversation we we didn't really have much planned to talk about rather than sharing a common conversation between both our podcasts. So it leads to some interesting dynamics of questions and questioning back and things like that. I hope you enjoy listening. Nataly Bailey, welcome to Personal Development mastery.
Natalie Bailey 2:21
I can never pronounce your surname. Welcome, you. I look your life.
Agi Keramidas 2:29
This is good. I'm very excited about this conversation because we were saying earlier before we hit record that neither of us has done a podcast like this. So a common, shall we say podcast that will be shared between both our podcasts. So it's great to speak with you, Natalie.
Natalie Bailey 2:48
So I suspect that at given we've known each other for so long. And I'm really excited by the work you do and what you do with your podcasts. I know that my listeners are going to absolutely love you. And hopefully one of them can pronounce your surname. Can you please say it for me again? Because every time I try, I just get jumbled up in my mouth. And I felt Keramidas I said it. Well, there's confidence for you. It's
Agi Keramidas 3:12
Yes. And we're going to talk about confidence. We're going to talk about mastery and all those things. And I will I want to share very briefly that I actually interviewed you for my previous podcast, and I was checking to find out what it was it was three years ago in 2019. January. So it's a long while and I think we both have really grown a lot since that time. So hugely. If I were to ask you in a nutshell, during these three years, let's say I hadn't seen you since that time 2019 To now what's a fast forward version a summary of what changed for you how you saw this three years?
Natalie Bailey 3:58
Who pandemic know, to be honest, I've done a lot of personal development. I've done a lot of confidence building I've helped a lot of people. And maybe I would describe the past three years as explosive. That's the word I would I would use given the everything that's going on. See, we spoke on your previous podcast, you launched this one, the new one which is doing absolutely incredibly well. Which is fantastic. And I'm so so pleased for you. You know after we we met on public speaker training, and then continue to sort of stay in touch and just dip into what each other's doing. I just think it's fantastic to see people do well and I like that a lot. And then I look at what what I've done and what I've wanted to achieve I have grown my hair really long. And I've I've helped a lot of people with their confidence in their mindset through the online coaching I do through my retreats, and other things like that. But if I was to, I suppose as you say, in a nutshell, I'm gonna use the word explosive, because things have just been dramatic. Over the past few years, what would be the same for you?
Agi Keramidas 5:36
I wouldn't say explosive, but it's been transformative if that word just popped out, in in the sense, and you mentioned the podcast, I will add to that, that you also started your podcast about the same time when I started personal development mastery, you're also doing very well. So um, it's great to see. Also, you know, having known you a little bit earlier on to see how what you're doing with the podcast, which is fantastic. And, yeah, coming back to your question in the transformative, I will be doing it mainly in the context of the podcast itself, which, three years ago, it was a hobby of mine that just was doing something for fun. And then when the COVID situation started, it started becoming a passion because I was more and more into it. And then eventually, at some point, maybe a year, a year and a half ago realise that it was a mission that this is this is it, this is my, my thing, what I must do to, you know, grow and contribute and sink my son and inspire others. So, yeah, transformation, I think the explosive state is like a bit further down the curve. For me,
Natalie Bailey 7:03
I guess I think with me and what I do, the way I live my life, I'm just like, push out there, bang. Um, obviously, I do a lot of planning. And I do think about things, but I do often just jump into something. And like, I think that's where the kind of explosion happens, like they're jumping out of your comfort zone, which you're also very adept at,
Agi Keramidas 7:28
there is no growth inside the comfort zone and growth, personal growth, development, these are my highest value. So inside the comfort zones, there is I would be fake to myself, if I have to do these things. I go out of my comfort zone and do things for the first time. In order to grow, there is no other way. Unless you know any other way please.
Natalie Bailey 7:55
No, sorry. There are no shortcuts.
Agi Keramidas 7:59
And that's important. I don't know. Carry on. No, please do if there is a little bit of delay in the sound show. Yeah, carry on. I don't want to
Natalie Bailey 8:10
I will slow. I will slow down my speaking because I speak very quickly.
Agi Keramidas 8:17
too quickly for the internet to get. That's great. So you guys. Okay, then I won't write okay, then let me ask you about confidence then since your your focus is confidence, mastery. So two questions, I will ask them one at a time. The first one would confidence what do you how do you define confidence yourself as a as a confidence coach?
Natalie Bailey 8:57
This is an excellent question. And the answer to that is something that's evolved through time through my growth and as my confidence has grown, it's not something you either have or don't have, is something that you can tap into. It's a feeling. It's not something that you just leave on the shelf or you pick it up when you need it. It's something that is always there inside you. It's just about tapping into that internal resource and letting it out so that you can do more and achieve the things that you want to achieve. It's not one box fits all whether you you know, you either have confidence or you don't because when you think about your day to day life, you do things with confidence, without even realising it. The way that you get up in the morning, you clean your teeth, you have a shower, you do these things, you dress yourself, the simple mundane tasks. You have confidence in doing because you've done So many times on repeat. Whereas most people don't think about that kind of thing and don't think well actually, I am confident in dressing myself, if you ever seen the secret garden, the film The Secret Garden, so about this, okay, so it's about this little girl, and she grew up in India. So she's about 10. And her parents died, I think it was on, on a chip anyway. So then she goes, comes to live in England, in this manor house with her cousin. And there's one, one scene where in the morning, there's the maid and, and she's making her dress herself, because she doesn't know how to dress herself. Like she just was always blew up. Because she had all of these maids and things that are in India, I'm sure it was India. And so she had no confidence in putting her own clothes on. So if you think about things like that, and the things that you do on a day to day basis, you know, that you have confidence in areas, so you can tap into that, to be able to do anything. So when you push through that comfort zone, that barrier where you think, Oh, I can't do that. I'm fearful. I don't know what's on the other side. But everything you want is on the other side of fear. So you tap into, I know how to tie my laces. I know. So it sounds so simple. It's not always easy, but it really is, it can be that simple. You tap into, I know how to tie my laces, you can go and start a podcast, you can go into public speaking, you can jump out of a plane, you can do start, you can start a business, you can do anything you want. Because it is it's a feeling that you have in you. It's an internal resource. That's what confidence is.
Agi Keramidas 11:53
I like it. I like it the internal resource for me it is to have trust in yourself in what what you're doing to believe in yourself to have faith in yourself and what you were saying about the shoelaces example, that is the capab you have the capability because you have done it, and you have done it and the capability creates the confidence. But in order to have to obtain the capability at some point, we need to jump over that. That gap of us not knowing core of us needing to have the courage to do something for the first time or maybe for the second time. While we're not we don't still we don't yet have the capability. But we do take the courage to do the the action, the uncomfortable action. And that capability then will bring the confidence when it is repeated. And it certainly, and I used to think like that a few years ago that confidence, it's either something you have or you haven't. And of course, one of the things of my personal development journey was trying to realise that there is not one single confidence confidence is it has to do with anything. And your example with the shoelaces was very good, or you know, making a cup of coffee, someone who's never done it doesn't have the confidence to show can be as simple as that. Or it can be as complex as speaking in front of 500 people or whatever. So those were my own facts about adding to yours.
Natalie Bailey 13:36
Yeah. Because you're never you're never great at something. I mean, you're well never, you're rarely great at something that you do the first time. It always you always improve through practice. It's you know, one of the best analogies I use is like you know, you don't get strong from going to the gym just once you have to go repeatedly to build the strength. You don't get skinny for me in one salad. You have to have good nutrition, like constantly to and I'm not I'm not telling people to be skinny, by the way. It's more about being healthy. And so you have to put those habits into place in order to grow that confidence. And that's the thing that's going to be that makes the difference is that consistency. Consistency equals success.
Agi Keramidas 14:26
It's Yes. And that's what makes a difference in something that I suppose you see with your clients are people that they that element of consistency of that the time that it needs for something to happen is something that many people overlook, and they think that the results will happen like this or immediately or fast but doesn't always roll through. I would say it's rarely my own experience doesn't happen like that. It needs a period of of time, which of course, you can change and manipulated period of time according to your actions, your thoughts and so on. But still is something that for me and doesn't know, I've ended up talking about something else. That is what is maybe one of the missing links when someone starts doing something to really realise that, okay, you have to go at it and go with it until you, you make it, whether that's confidence, whether that's success, was that help being healthy, whatever your your goal is. So that was? Yeah, just some thoughts on that.
Natalie Bailey 15:46
No, it may make sense is this just the way things happen? You can't. The overnight success has been working for 10 years, behind the scenes, you know, all of that stuff that you don't see people do all of the late nights, the hard work, the courses, the sleepless nights, all of that. That's, that tends to be the case. Like, I mean, unless people just they win a competition or they get lucky. Lucky, I don't know, maybe that's something else to talk about is luck, really a thing? You know, create your own luck, through through the not effortless through their effort loaded, hard work that a lot of people don't see. And I think that gives some people a false false sense of confidence, actually. Because they they see these people that have created a different life and a successful and they see them out on social media being confident. And they forget that those people have to work to get to where they are. Like, oh, so right for them. And so are it for you? Well, actually, no, it's not because I have to work hard. I'm not afraid of graphs, that's fine. But I would urge people and everybody listening today, obviously don't compare yourself to other people. And just remember that everybody's on a different journey. And doing things like personal development and confidence building is going to help you get to where you want to be a lot faster.
Agi Keramidas 17:27
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Can I ask you something else? Also that is? I think it's very interesting in any conversation between us. Both of our podcasts are named mastery, while all the heavy mass in the mass a main element of it. So I don't know about you. But I would like to ask you to share a little bit about your mastery as a choice of Walden. How has it done? How has it? Yeah, how has the journey of that been for you? If I can share mine ready. I will say quickly that when I named my podcast, I thought that mastery sounds cool. It's great worth and gives like, you know, a weight to the podcast, people would say mastery, so that's good. And very quickly, I realised so I hadn't really thought about the meaning of the word or smarts especially in personal development context. And then after a little while, I realised that I had inadvertently set the bar too high for myself, I had no idea, then I realised that oh my god, this is mastery, I can't just play or the, you know, the usual level and the podcast will not be called Mastery. So I had to raise my standards, and I try to do that all the time to meet, maybe not meet, I don't know if meat is the right word, because meet, it implies that you will achieve it or meet it, but, you know, raise my status so that I'm close to that mastery element and not, you know, doing something in an armature, or in a way that is, you know, the average person will say, so that was a little bit about my own experience with the Master, it really didn't know why I put it, but once I did it, it has been guiding me. That's the word I was looking for sure, I have been guided towards the mastery just because you know, it's there. So I always all the time, it's, it's in my mind. So my thoughts, my actions have to go towards there. If I want to really, you know,
Natalie Bailey 21:15
do you think that that's helped you to achieve more success in, in what you're doing?
Agi Keramidas 21:22
Yes. It appears again, success is one of those words, that is very subjective. And I want to the, you know, the traditional definition what success show for me, success is very different than it is for you, and I'm sure for the listener. But the short answer to your question is, yes, it has it has, because of what I was saying earlier, I, you know, I had a guest, I don't remember who it was, but he was someone I was looking up to. But back in the early days of the podcasting, he said, Wow, your podcast is named personal development mastery. So we have to, and it was when he said that I thought, Oh, my God put myself to what have I done? And at that time, it felt like, it's way out there. I mean, how can I do that, but and that I can to have faith to jump there and build the confidence to say that, you know, what, yes, my focus is personal development, mastery. And that's what what we talk about, we don't show yeah.
Natalie Bailey 22:35
I like it. So I'm gonna ask you a question before I answer your question. So what does personal development mastery really mean to you?
Agi Keramidas 22:48
This is a yes, a great question somehow had the feeling that you might ask. These and this is a matter of really choosing words carefully because otherwise it will lose some of the meaning that that's why you see me thinking, it is the journey towards being everything that you can be, whether that is in on a physical physically, emotionally, financially, spiritually no all parts of who you are or who I am. And I will highlight the use of the word journey, because it is a path towards there it is not a destination is not an endpoint, it is a process and Tyson good I think with what we were saying earlier about the the overnight success myth and all those things, it is the ongoing process of doing in this case personal development. And I will add that one more thing, personal development has two elements in me one is the element of building or developing as the Word says. But there is also the element of removing things that we have picked up along the way and they do not serve us they are not valuing who we are anymore. And our path requires us to really look for them and take them out or remove them or you know, the the analogy of the sculptor that removes the marble in order to he doesn't add to the in order to create the sculpture. So I think personal development and personal mastery specifically is the combination of those two processes ongoing for as long as you know is my journey on this in this body in this life on this blog.
Natalie Bailey 25:00
I think that's a really, really good analogy. And also like the letting go of the past stuff. Because as much as we can learn and grow, we add stuff to what we already have. But if we're not capable of letting go of limiting beliefs, and things like that, we can't grow because we have too much holding us back. So I think that's really great that he's you said that and acknowledge that because otherwise, it wouldn't be mastering, if you don't have the ability to let go of the things that are they're dragging you down. It's like spending time with the right people, as opposed to the people that hold you back or laugh at your goals or your dreams. And, like, sometimes it's a hard decision to make not to spend some time with certain people who, who don't lift and inspire you. But equally don't, obviously, don't cut off everyone, because it's only to cut off everyone. Right? Just understanding they toxics toxicity levels, I think around seven people and what you're learning what you're, you're doing where you want to go, will help you to achieve that level of success in personal development in whatever way that means to you. I think that's a really good point you made about success and how it is subjective, it does mean different things to different people. It's the same with, like the confidence levels. So back to your your question about where did I come from with confidence mastery. My very first online confidence coaching programme was called the confidence collective. And that was because it was about growing, learning together and bringing people up together, we have a message better together, because people need people. And if you want to go further, you're better off surrounding yourself with a good network of people so that you can learn and grow together. So that's where that came from. And then the next iteration became confidence, mastery. And as I'm going through, setting up the podcast, and getting things out there and and going on names, this was the one that people liked the most. And I thought, give the audience what they want. It doesn't matter if, if Well, it does matter if I like it, because, like you like you, like you said at the beginning and your poker side as a hobby. And now it's totally changed for you. This isn't just an interview, it was just a hobby for me, in the same way that it now isn't for you. This for me is about helping people helping the listeners, the people that tune in every week, thank you very much for listening, and subscribing. And for downloading even though I don't know who you all are, and I keep asking you who you are, get in touch. I want to know you because you you listen. And that matters to me. And I think that having a level of mastery around your confidence helps you in so many areas of your life that I never used to have. I used to be, I used to be a mess. And I openly admit that I didn't know what I was doing with life. I didn't think that personal development was really a thing. I didn't ask for help. I didn't read books. I mean, I read books, but I didn't read like personal development books I thought was allowed to Tosh, honestly. And then, when I retrained as a personal trainer, I also did a life coach training. And I've really started to see the benefit, not just in helping your physical body, but the mental aspect of the things that goes with exercise, everything changed for me. And I realised that you need that mental help that mental push, you need a support network, you need to have the confidence to say, I need some help here. And I'm glad that I chose this name, confidence, mastery, unlock your life, because you have one life to live. And if you don't master your emotions and what's going on and what you want to do, you're never going to unlock your life. There'll be moments where things don't work out and you make mistakes and that's fine. Owning your mistakes and learning from them and not making the same mistakes repeatedly. That is mastering your mistakes.
So that's where it all comes back to for me and making making sure that you're making the very most of life like I'm well aware that life's too short. I've lost many, many people. And I nearly passed away myself in a car accident in Barbados. So I know first And they Life's too short. So you need to just live it and just master every single bit that you can possibly do. Why not be the master of your own world?
Agi Keramidas 30:12
You have to be I mean, if you're not the master of your world world in your life, what what else can you do? Who whose master Are you going to become up to your point, even if you wanted to, unless you, it has to start with, with yourself, and I'm happy to hear in a different way, the same message that it's about, you know, doing the most we can with our life and that life is short, everyone's life is short, we don't know when how long we have. And sometimes looking back one of the most bitter feelings is missed opportunities or, and especially going towards the end of one's life, then there are no chances of doing things. Again, so yeah, as a call to action here. Just do whatever it is that you feel in your heart that is just that wants to be expressed, you know, to come out of you, whatever it is to create, or to do the next step, the next level, just just find the standards. Because that's that's the only way to, to build your confidence by doing it. You can't just practice confidence, it would be nice, and many people think that you can, but you can just prepare, prepare mentally, and have the confidence. Yes, you will have knowledge, which helps with extra confidence. So just do it
Natalie Bailey 31:49
comes from thing. Imagine, imagine I'm a speaker training, and just doing the exercises and not standing up and doing the practice. And then at the end of the week, you had to do a 21 minute talk without having had those little moments of practice in between. Imagine that, you we wouldn't we wouldn't have been prepared. So
Agi Keramidas 32:14
for me not Yeah, surely hadn't carry on, please,
Natalie Bailey 32:18
then I can't No, no, no, I was trying to think of a word it wasn't coming to me. You Ah,
Agi Keramidas 32:23
you reminded me that on that particular cost, because we met each other on public speaking, both come five day that feedback I was getting on these smaller parts of the talk during the previous days was for me what builds my confidence because I would hear the others telling me Well, I can listen to you speak and you're doing great. And this and that. And it was the first time that I got this kind of feedback about me speaking. And that's really it. It really helped me very much from being terrified of speaking to people and thinking that my accent, this Greek accent, half of the people can understand my words and this and that all these you know inner dialogues at the head. Getting the the smaller practice and the feedback from the other people was what really unlocked since you use that word unlocked, I read unlocked my ability to you know, not have any issues with standing up in front of people and speaking with sell your own. It was my I was terrified to do that I know you've done a lot
Natalie Bailey 33:36
in the beginning of the week. Yeah. I have. I have another talk on Thursday that I need to prepare for. But it's very interesting, isn't it? When you think about the things that you thought at the beginning of that week, by the end of it, you didn't think those things in when you saw different things and like, like you say about your accent, we were like own it like it makes you you. Yes, that is like you have a voice to listen to. It's amazing. So if you haven't done that, do you think you'd be doing what you are now?
Agi Keramidas 34:08
No, I think every step that I take leads us to where we are now if we had taken a different decision, or if I decided not to take that course. We certainly won't be having this conversation because we don't have
Natalie Bailey 34:22
time so very. I'm very glad you did.
Agi Keramidas 34:32
From that, that point aside, though it is. Yeah, I think it's all our decisions, and especially the ones since I'm bringing it to the context of this conversation they, especially the ones that push us out of what's comfortable, push us out to do something new, something that a part of us really likes to do it but there is that other part that says no, no, no, no. You can't do that and blah, blah blah. So it There's this beautiful journey of taking this actions and moving you on that really creates a life. And that's when we feel alive the most not when we're doing the same mundane routine of Yeah, that's no one remembers that afterwards, just the same?
Natalie Bailey 35:18
No, no, they don't. And I think it's funny actually say that because I did a post on my Instagram recently about the it's, it's not the exciting things which get you results, it is actually the daily consistent action, that is pretty boring. But if you're working towards something exciting, that's something else that's bigger than the mundane action that you take to it towards getting it. So you kind of need, you need a bit of both, you need a balance of like, I'm not going to achieve my fitness goals, unless I do the daily actions that people are probably bored of looking at my shoes on the Stairmaster every day on my Instagram stories, but they're still watching. And that's my accountability, right? So I've got my I've got my feet on the Stairmaster every day. But the big exciting thing that's actually going to push me to grave and forever, is that bikini photoshoot in Barbados in September. So that Monday in action is drawing me towards something exciting. And I think that's the thing that we mustn't forget. It's that compound effect that eventually kicks it. And just like being disciplined enough to go yeah, this is boring. Why it's gonna give me something amazing at the end. All right, not everything we do is boring, like practising speaking is not boring. I'll tell you what do 45 minutes on a Stairmaster? Everyday boring?
Agi Keramidas 36:56
Yes, everyday. It's boring.
Natalie Bailey 36:59
Yeah. But in terms of other things in terms of like, personal development, that learning and things, listening in and plugging into things that help you to grow, maybe the action of taking 20 to 30 minutes a day might sound mundane or boring. But the stuff that you're learning in that time. That's the thing. That's exciting that takes you to the next level. Yeah,
Agi Keramidas 37:22
absolutely. And just remind him of Jim Rohn, who used to say that Miss skip a meal if you have to, but don't skip reading for 30 minutes a day, he was a big advocate for every day to feed your mind with empowering information. And even more important than eating was for him shouldn't doesn't make sense. And when, when I said the mundane stuff earlier, yes, I didn't mean the, the grind there what we need to do in order to achieve I meant the other stuff that we choose to do, but because we want to avoid stepping out of the comfort zone. So that was the way I meant it. You know,
Natalie Bailey 38:04
I understand what you meant. By once the comfortable bit. I understood what you meant. I just I picked my my brain to think which made me think about that post, which obviously went on to that. But you're right. It's a lot of people they're too comfortable in their own mundane lives. In that daily grind, getting up going to work, having dinner going to bed, like that's that's not that's not growth. And that's what you mean, like isn't it? Right? Am I right? Yeah. Okay,
Agi Keramidas 38:37
they're comfortable, but they still have that that they're not content there is something missing they know. And obviously, I'm talking to the people who can understand that I I have felt it I suppose you have heard it. I think everyone has felt it when things something doesn't feel right. That's when we need to step out and do something different something outside. If everything feels right, doing your mundane and thing Yep, please carry on doing it if there is no desire or any maybe underlying feeling of disappointment. But talking from personal experience, there is things on the outside seem to be going well. Inside you know that something's not right. You might not know this. But yeah, your instincts speak to you clearly.
Natalie Bailey 39:31
Do you remember a moment in your life that you felt that and what changed it for you?
Agi Keramidas 39:40
There were many, Natalya winter, the one the big one in my life, it was when I left Greece and that was exactly the situation on the outside my life seemed to be absolutely fine and enviable and all these things, but I was feeling empty and Saddam, I didn't know what to do. So, yes, that I'm very, very familiar. That's just one of the cases there have been many I'm mentioning that because it was probably the most the strongest one or the the one that really many people will say, Wow, okay, I can I can.
Natalie Bailey 40:23
I can relate to that. You haven't, you know, more than me, like, well, I quit my job and got on a plane. And even when I first got to me, Orca, and there was, you know, on the surface, like, it looks great. I'm out having like living the dream. I'm at the beach every day, partying at night, having I've got all these people around me. But there was this deep, like loneliness still, because I was just masking it through this party scene. And it wasn't until actually my dad passed away. And I went and retrained as a PT like a while after that, well, actually, no, I returned as a PT before that, and that things really changing if I put things into perspective for me. And I realised that that's when I really realised Life's too short. And I was like, Okay, so I've done this, I've done the Part A and B, and B, doing the PT bit. My nana, she's gone. Now we need to do what that's when we got into property. And that's when the biggest changes came. Because like I say, I realised that life's life's far, far too short, you can't, can't just go on doing the thing that's not working, I'm not content. And if you've ever felt that, like loneliness inside you that you feel it physically, you need to make a change, like there was the stats are astounding, on on loneliness, and especially after, like these lock downs and stuff, it's got even worse because people have been isolated. And I think this is where more more personal development and more confidence needs to come into play. Because people need to come back into the world. And that, for me is a big, big part of what I want to do with my podcasts going forward is to help people come back into the world and have the confidence to stand up and go, This is me. And you know, I've had this, this moment, I've had this period of my life where things are really shared, or they they appear to be alright, but internally, I'm suffering. I don't want people to suffer. I'm sure that I'm sure most of us don't want people to suffer. So that's what I love about what what you do with your podcast, because I know people listen. And it makes a difference to their lives. That is the you know that that helps.
Agi Keramidas 43:02
Yeah, and that is really the point behind doing it and sharing a message hopefully to inspire someone to take some actions that will make a difference in their life. When you're what you're saying earlier, brought a question to me and actually wanted to ask you. So you have just over two years now that you're doing your podcast? Can you share one big realisation or benefit or aha moment that you had acid, a direct last resort have been a podcast host these two years?
Natalie Bailey 43:43
Yeah, when I've had messages from people that I didn't even know listens. Like, the most right, random list of connections. And, and they've, I hate this term reach out, but they've reached out. And they've said that that episode is is helped them through something that's made me think, Ah, I really am doing something good for people here. I've been sat about, you know, putting ads on it and monetizing it. And, you know, I'm not adverse to making money. I love to make money because I like nice things. I like to travel I like to live the life on one. But I don't like to make money if it doesn't make other people feel good as well. I wouldn't take money from somebody if it didn't feel right and aligned with my morals and my values and I didn't think it would help them. So the fact that I do this, I do this for free as as a bit of an outlet, a bit of a way to inspire people. I mean, I've done I've done episodes I've just funded and it is a bit of an outlet. It's a therapy. Yeah, but the fact that it Also, it brings me to some really good people. I've had some really great guests, which I want to come want to speak to you about as well. But yeah, when when I've had those messages, I had one the other day. And of somebody, I genuinely, I, I don't know how long we've been connected. I don't think it's been that long. And they messaged me about a podcast episode I put out that was pretty controversial. And what they said was not in disagreement. I was a bit like, Thank fuck for that. That's, that's helped someone that helped that person. And they felt confident enough to reach out to me and say, Thank you for saying that. Yeah. So it's those moments are the big things for me, they not the not the big name guests, not the ranking or the downloads, or, or any money have inadvertently made. It's the fact I know it helps people. Yeah. And that pushes me to do more and to want to do better, which is why I really wanted to do this with you today, because of what you know, we're we're very aligned with what we do. And with what I'm doing is to grow, as well over the next year in the work we're doing on the podcast. I just want to make it better for people like yeah,
Agi Keramidas 46:25
I will add a little bit to that. And then I will ask you to because you wanted also to add something else you said you want to speak about something else, actually. Yeah. Add that as well. And utterly.
Natalie Bailey 46:38
Yeah. So guests. Yes. Yes, I find it absolutely incredible. The people that come together on podcasts. So I've recently done a poll on LinkedIn and waiting for the results. I did a week long post and saying, Do you listen to podcast? Yes, regularly sometimes was a podcast, a lot of people don't know what a podcast is. Unless, you know, you know, right. So I now want to help those people who don't know what a podcast is to find out what they are. And to find the right ones for them to listen to. Because it brings the most incredible people from all parts of the world together having beautiful, disruptive, maybe abusive, but great conversations like that you can just about any topic about absolutely anything. And like, I just think there are some people I would love to go on a podcast, but I'm not ready for yet. Because I'm still tweaking and working on a few things, what we're doing this year. Um, and I know what you do, you've had some great people come on, how did it feel for you to have like Dr. John Demartini? On?
Agi Keramidas 47:58
That's a great question. Because not only
Natalie Bailey 48:01
that's, that's a big name, and what in that area. So that's, that's what I mean about the beauty of podcasts and the way like, you can talk to anyone and learn anything and do anything. So yeah, back to that. How did that how did that feel?
Agi Keramidas 48:19
There was, you know, many facets to that answers for, for that particular one, I felt like I was a student just absorbing the knowledge, with the big difference that I had the opportunity to ask the questions that that I wanted. So it was a very different dynamic of the conversation, because I knew that in the topics he talks about, he's the worldwide experts. So I knew that dynamic from the beginning of I respect that and I was learning and really enjoyed it. But you are very right. The fact that I was able to connect with him and have one hour conversation with him for the podcast is something that I would have never thought a few years back I would completely put someone like him on a pedestal and I will say yes, he's up there. How who am I to speak to him or what what can I say? And you know, having these conversations little by little, of course, creates this self belief or the confidence that yes, I can I can hold a conversation with it doesn't matter. It's it's something that so that's that's one facet. About your question about how I felt, but I will agree very much with the guests and the people that you are able to speak with and interact and learn from and, and maybe dig deep and find some things when I love it very much when I asked some questions And I see that my guests come to heads to come up with the answer because it's it's not something that they have been asked before or thought before. And sometimes they actually admit and say, Wow, this made me think or come up with something. So that feels really good to be able to do that. Yeah, having these conversations, for me is one of the biggest personal benefits that I have got by doing the podcast. And I will add one more thing, Natalie, and then I realise that we need to start wrapping up soon, but your doctor, but generally, you said about, it's not about the numbers and this and that, and I completely agree with you. And that I learned actually from a guest not to obsess about the numbers, because you know, the, the normal, or the usual thing is for you to really look how I can grow this, it is a business after only in a sense, or an endeavour. But I realised and that was through a guest that the numbers are irrelevant, because your impact and you know, we want to make sense in the world and help inspire people that cannot be measured, you can have a million listeners, but none of them is really engaged or been affected or influenced by what you said. But if you influence one person, like the ones that you said, or similar examples that I had, if you influence inspire that one person and help them or guide them, or whatever it is through their life, that is the most important thing. And what we really don't know and can't comprehend, is that one person, what kind of impact that version will have in the
Natalie Bailey 51:56
in the world? And the next person? Yes, yeah. So
Agi Keramidas 51:59
you said ripple effect. So actually, so it's not necessarily about you know, having the number so that that, doesn't it? It is an element, but not the most important elements, the most relevant is how people connect, and what's the impact that you have with them? Sure.
Natalie Bailey 52:19
Yeah, it's like that saying, isn't it you people don't remember what you said to them, but they will always remember how you made them feel. So if we can make people feel good through this, and they have an effect on other people, and we can we, you know, we can change the world one episode at a time, you know, just one person at a time. And that's when things start to snowball, and things get bigger, they get better. And I just, like I just I do really enjoy seeing just seeing people do well. I used to hate that they you know, that's that's how bad a person I used to be. I used to get really jealous of other people's success. But that was because I was putting that effort in myself. And it wasn't until I changed my life that I started to enjoy other people's success that my friends do well I'm so pleased with my clients do our I'm so pleased for them. Because it makes it makes their world better and they make that makes me happy that they're happy and happiness is the only virus we need the happiness virus. I like that I like that yeah, it's a funny our world we live in, isn't it? It's very
Agi Keramidas 53:37
it's very interesting going on and lots of transitions happening and yeah, it's we're living it and we if there's one thing it certainly there's nothing boring about it. There's all sorts of things happening can we happen motional ourselves adapting ourselves to the situation and being able to you know handle these things that are happening around the world in a way that we really empowers us to go through this situation in a way that we're not scared we're not sick, we're not all these negative elements and this is actually such a big topic Natalie, but you have a personal development is for me the best method if I can use that word, very Enosh terms to be able to handle this situation or even cope with the situation if you want in the best possible way. So
Natalie Bailey 54:48
great. Yeah. If this had happened to me when I was 21. I would not and I struggled in the beginning because Is we had businesses shut down all sorts of like, like basically fighting to keep afloat. And if that, like I say, if that's happened to us 21, I would have been equipped for it, I would not have been equipped, whereas, you know, having the podcast launched the month before the world shutdown,
Agi Keramidas 55:24
not the same as February Yes.
Natalie Bailey 55:28
So you think if we didn't have these things, they these senses are no, they're great to help other people, but they help us to I knowing that I had to show up for my clients. So my online mastermind was boring for me. And knowing that I had episodes to do, it helped to keep me learning to help other people, which helped to keep me sane, which helped me to start to not lose my mind.
Agi Keramidas 55:54
Not only I think we could go on and on and on with two other topics, which we were, we were thinking of discussing, which we never even had the chance. But that's, that's great. If I were I will have to start wrapping things up a little bit now. So do you want to actually two things and one is, you know, for my listeners that listen to you for the first time? Where would you direct them? If they want to find out more? That's one question with the short answer. And then the second one, which might have a little longer answer is what would you like to share us a conclusion of this? Very interesting. Coleman podcast conversation that way.
Natalie Bailey 56:45
Yeah. Cool. So you can find me on the confidence mastery. I'm not sure life podcast, or any social media platform, Natalie Arabella Bailey, if you would like to get in touch, please do feel free. If you've got any questions you'd like to share that you liked, or didn't like this conversation, I appreciate feedback either way. And we also have a Facebook group, confidently successful entrepreneurs. So you can search for that if you want to come and chat with other people that are learning to be more confident in themselves. And in summary, in conclusion, I really enjoy all the conversations I have on my podcast. And actually on a day to day basis, if I don't enjoy a conversation, I walk away. And I've always admired and respected what you do, Aggie and I've very, very much enjoyed this. And I think maybe in six to nine months, we should do a part two, to see what's going on in our worlds, then. It's that might be a nice thing to do. But I think the main thing for anybody listening to take away is to make time for yourself and your personal development so that you can learn to be more confident in whatever it is that you want to do in life. So that is mine. So over to you, where can we find you and your conclusion, please?
Agi Keramidas 58:14
Sure. Yeah, the central hub the best place for me is the my website, I get amateurs.com where I share about the podcast and also how I help others to create and launch their own podcast because this is not something that is kept for, you know, a select group of people that really know what they're doing. Neither of us, you or me, correct me if I'm wrong, really knew what I was doing when we started but it's great to have someone in your hand and guide you show bestplaces my website as for the conclusion, I I enjoyed the exploration, you know, because the word some themes that we said we discussed like mastery, confidence, personal development, video views, things, themes that come our podcast style, so I enjoy very much the exploration and sharing and some, you know, digging around this concepts. And I will agree with the cutting up afterwards. Maybe later in towards the end of the year. And yeah, continuing or taking the next step. And I will say once again that I really like very much the fact that this is something new for both of us haven't done any of it which will be common. It's usually me asking the questions or the other way around. Not a mixture like this so great. You know the the originality of this conversation.
Natalie Bailey 59:48
Yeah, thank you too. I've really enjoyed it. I hope that your listeners enjoy it. I know that my listeners will be enjoying it.
Agi Keramidas 59:55
Likewise, I'm certain
Natalie Bailey 1:00:00
So here's to being the masters of our own lives for for everybody listening and for all of us. So I just want to say thank you. And yeah, make sure you get in touch. And if you're listening on my podcast, make sure you find Aggie. And if you're thinking about starting a podcast, you definitely definitely need to talk to him because he will massively help you to get it out there. And like he has and in the top 1.5% globally is a phenomenal achievement. So you are in good hands.
Agi Keramidas 1:00:38
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