#067 The last law of attraction podcast you'll ever need to listen to, with Andrew Kap.

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Agi Keramidas  0:06  
Welcome to the personal development mastery Podcast. I am Agi Keramidas and  my mission is to inspire you to rise up, grow, stand out and take action towards the next level of your life. I am interviewing leaders, influencers, entrepreneurs or force exceptional people who can and will inspire you to improve your life. Tune in for two episodes each week, every Monday and Thursday.

Agi Keramidas  0:36  
In today's show, it is my real delight to speak with Andrew Kap. Andrew, you hold one goal above all others through your various projects. And that is genuine and sustainable impact. You are the author of the number one Amazon best selling book The last law of attraction book you'll ever need to read, which offers the readers and never before seen understanding of the topic, and promises to reveal the missing key to finally tapping into the universe and manifesting your desires. Andrew, welcome to personal development mastery. I am really thrilled and grateful to be speaking with you today.

Andrew Kap  1:17  
Okay, thanks so much for having me. I am so grateful to be having this conversation with Yun, it's an honor to be on your podcast. So I appreciate this opportunity to chat with you.

Agi Keramidas  1:26  
Thank you. Andrew, I will start with a question for maybe someone who is not sure of what we're talking about here. So in one minute, can you explain to me what law of attraction is?

Andrew Kapp  1:43  
It's so funny, I just challenged myself to do a video on my YouTube channel about this because it's so hard to, to fit into 60 seconds. But the long and short of it is, you know, we are all made of energy. Everything in us the Universe, and Everything around us vibrates at a certain frequency, including our thoughts. So, you know, there's no perfect way of putting it. But a great way to put it that's going to be applicable to people is, you know, your thoughts, when directed in the right way are going to invite a frequency and an energy of the thing that you're thinking about, to such an extent that it can actually literally manifest into your reality, which is just a long winded way of saying what we think about and focus on becomes a reality and extend a little past 60 seconds, obviously people like Well, I'm thinking about my new car all the time, how come it's not coming to me? And then that becomes a question. Well, are you thinking about it as if you have it? Or are you thinking about the lack of it, but that's a whole other rabbit hole, we can go down?

Agi Keramidas  2:42  
And we're certainly going to discuss that in more detail. A little bit later. Can you? Let's go back for the time being. And I want to ask you, how did you first come across the law of attraction? And when did you start believing in the power it has?

Andrew Kapp  3:00  
Right? Well, you know, I think people win like me, I'm an I'm an entrepreneur for for two decades now. And I think when we go into own business for ourselves, or even salespeople, or there's people that basically have to kill their own dinner, so to speak, we're always like looking for ways to expand our success. So we just read books on success, which will inevitably take us to books on personal development, books on mindset, and books that are a little bit more esoteric in nature. So just through going down the rabbit hole of reading a lot of different books, a lot of different modalities, I just discovered it kind of in passing, probably 2004 2005. And for me, I kind of I had an open mind about it that I guess it works. Let me let me try who doesn't hurt to try, right. And I had my little successes in my little failures, there was never a consistent reliability to it. So probably about 12 years ago, I kind of you know, ignored it and just went about life. And I had a really bad week where I lost my business and a three relationship all in the same week, none of which were my decision. And at that point, I'm like, Listen, I'm heartbroken, I'm miserable. And I'm pretty unhappy about this whole situation. And this thing kind of works. Let me just be stubborn because I just, I had nowhere else to go. And I indignantly just focused on law of attraction methods just five minutes a day. And I refuse to quit this time because sometimes things will be going really well. And I could explain why we quit anyway, but we'll we'll quit on it. But I was I was stubborn. And you know, within two weeks, I felt better, which is saying a lot when you're heartbroken. Within three months, I'm in a brand new relationship, a brand new, healthy relationship way healthier. Within four months, I'm making more money than at any point in my life before then and within. Within six months. Everything's better. My life is the best it could have been. I'm in the best shape of my life. I'm waking up a brand new happy, fulfilled, successful, satisfied person. And at that point, I'm sold. I'm like, Okay, well, this was the secret trick. The trick was just sticking with it. If I just only stuck with it a years ago. Wouldn't even gone through that breakup but wouldn't gone through losing that business. But whatever. I went through what I went through to learn my lesson, and I was just a believer through the experience of doing it to the point that I got results.

Agi Keramidas  5:12  
Awesome. Well, you know, what strikes me the most out of everything you said is the fact that you said five minutes, correct me if I'm wrong, is that did I hear you? Right? Fine.

Andrew Kapp  5:21  
You heard right, you heard, right. I mean, you know, some people will do 10 minutes, some people do a half hour. But many days, I just did five minutes. And we're talking about simple exercises, we're talking about writing a list of things that you're grateful for, we're talking about scripting your life, writing your life, how you want it to be as if it already is that way in the present tense. Or we're talking about a simple visualization, visualizing what you want, or even, not even what you want. But anything that just has you in a good mood, because I won't give you the exact numbers, since I don't know the exact numbers. But you know, my experience and things that I've read have told me that are positive thoughts are hundreds, if not thousands of times more powerful than the negative ones, which is why five minutes a day is enough, because it'll compensate for the other negative thoughts you're having that day. But also there will be a momentum, there will be a snowball effect, where each day the more days you do it, you'll feel fewer negative thoughts on the tail end. And it'll just kind of shift in the other direction for you.

Agi Keramidas  6:20  
That's awesome. A unter, let me ask you. So I'm sure that the listeners, even someone who didn't know much about the concept, hopefully they have heard of it before, but now they have a clearer understanding of what it is and what it may be able to do. So if I were to ask you, so how can what exactly can the law of attraction do for someone? How can it benefit? The lesson at provided, of course, that they practice the techniques that we'll talk about a bit later on? So what would you ask what what is the benefit? What can they have as a result of the law of attraction?

Andrew Kapp  7:04  
Right? Well, potentially, technically, there are no limits, meaning you want to be a billionaire, you can be a billionaire. And we are, I guess, where the the short cabins are, where like, that doesn't quite work out the certain ways. Because we if we're still carrying a certain level of doubt, then that means we're emitting a vibration that goes in contradiction with that. But what I would say is where we can, where people can take this is they can take it for huge gains, in their finances, in their relationships, in their health, just in the context that if they're only consistent with it every single day, and not worrying too much about the how, the when and the why and kind of letting the universe take the wheel, and still taking action, but inspired action action when their gut nudges in that direction, rather than taking action, out of fear and out of lack, but people can basic they can shock themselves with the kinds of improvements they can experience in their lives. I mean, for me, when I went on that that six month run of just doing all these things, I wasn't trying to lose weight. But in the midst of all the things that I was doing, one of which was martial arts, but that was just to feel better about myself, I lost 25 pounds in seven weeks, I wasn't trying, it just happened. So that's the key about this, a lot of this stuff will just happen or you'll be surprised, you'll you'll be looking for that that man of your dreams, or that one of your dreams. And all of a sudden, you'll be running into people and you'll be noticing they're more interested in you. Or it's a thing where because things are going so well you're inspired to get in shape, you're inspired to get healthier, and then all of a sudden, it's not about losing those hundred pounds that you need to lose. It's about losing the two pounds and giving off this energy and this new vibration of confidence and enthusiasm, and and self love that really is going to connect with the right person who's going to notice you. Because we could read each other on a very subconscious level anyway. So that's my long winded way of saying anything's possible, within reason in the sense that you just you want to do what you can to get out of your own way as you're going along this path. And using simple techniques which you can get in my book or any other book worth its salt.

Agi Keramidas  9:09  
Okay.

Agi Keramidas  9:11  
You mentioned a word that and that's my next question. You mentioned the word doubt. And all this, of course, sounds wonderful. But I'm sure you come across often people who don't really believe in in this, it sounds too good to be true or out there. If I can use that phrase. So can you tell me how much do you actually need to believe that the law of attraction works for it to work?

Andrew Kapp  9:39  
So this is the beauty of this. And this is where there's like a, I guess a misunderstanding of doubt. Like, you don't have to believe it at all. And I'll explain why. So let's just switch gears real quick and let's talk about lifting weights. You lift weights and you get muscles. It's an oversimplification, but everyone understands it. Now I want to give you two possible reasons Why you're getting those muscles. Reason number one is you lift weights. And when you go to sleep, the muscle fairy comes and gives you muscles. And I can hear you now it's ridiculous, right? Well, here's the other explanation. The other explanation is when you're lifting weights, you're putting so much stress on your body, that the muscles are literally tearing. And what your body does when you're sleeping, or even just throughout the day, is it heals you by filling in those gaps with more muscle fibers natural healing response. Now, if I were to ask somebody, like, what is the reason between the two even though there's another explanation, they're gonna lean towards the second one? But my answer is, it doesn't matter. What matters is you lift weights, you get muscles, you put an X, you get y. And by that same token, well, you don't even need an exact explanation of the law of attraction. When you do these methods, when you focus on gratitude, when you focus on visualizations, you're going to get results. And even if you don't want to attribute it to the law of attraction, I tell friends, I'm like, I'm fine with that as long as you get your result, and this is the thing about the whole doubt, you could doubt yourself, and you can get yourself in only so much. Because if you do these methods for like 30 days, maybe you're not going to get that million dollar result. But you might get that raise or that promotion. And then you've got the experiential moment, the experience that you can't argue with. And once that's happened, then it's your decision whether you want to keep doing it or not. But you've gotten the result, you've lifted the weights and you've gotten the muscles, where you goes from there, it's up to you, but you can do enough, even in your in the face of your doubt, to get a result that will sell you on doing it a little bit more.

Agi Keramidas  11:31  
That's great. Well, I suppose that for many people, because we live in a in a nidoran society, if you want that people One, two seeds to believe it or they want some, some proof, you know that it works, I think that would gravitate someone to get to go for the scientific explanation when your example about the muscle rather than, you know, the heart, did you call it the muscle fair is that? So there is this era, because science is so advanced compared to how it was not even so long ago, that there is the constant need for proof for evidence? And of course, not everything has been proven yet, or science hasn't shed light to all of the things, especially spiritual things. But tell me is there for law of attraction? Is there scientific evidence to prove it? Or do we just need to accept it? That it it is

Andrew Kapp  12:37  
that well, there is within within reason? Like I mean, I'm not aware of like, you know, papers that have been done or things like that nature, but there is something that I think you could still find it on YouTube. It's called the the double slit experiment. And if anyone ever watched the movie, What the Bleep Do we know they they kind of went deep into this. And I'll give you the really butchered explanation. I think it's like a seven minute video. So it's kind of worth it to watch rather than Listen to me. But But essentially, they were like firing a laser. Like through this, this like little panel or something. And the long and short of its like the the observation of the scientists changed the way the laser reacted, where it was, like, they were like, potential possibilities of what it might be when they weren't observing it. And then when they observed it, like something definitively happened, that that's my, you know, obviously, we can go into quantum physics a little bit also, which is relation to that. But But you know, there, there's science there. But then in the end, you know, people can say, you know, the Earth is round, or the earth is flat. Our only proof comes from things that we've read or comes from TV. But in the end, no one like, I don't know, anyone personally, who's popped up into space and looked down, and could actually tell me, I mean, you know, I'm not a flat earther I believe the earth is round. But how do I believe that? Because it's true, because I've just been told that from so many different angles since I've been born. And that's the thing. I mean, there's only so much verifiable stuff, which is why I always go back to Well find out for yourself through experience. And by the way, getting back to the working out part. No one wants to work out in the sense like, what if what if the muscles don't grow, and I'm risking getting injured. And this is not fun. And this is horrible. The beauty of like, the law of attraction methods that I teach is that they're fun, and they're only five minutes. So you're not really giving something up on your path of doing this. In the worst case scenario, if nothing happens, you at least took five minutes out of your day to be happy and to relieve some stress, which I think we could all agree scientifically and physiology, like for the physiology is a good thing anyway, so I'm a huge proponent of don't take my word for it only except for just doing this for five minutes because you're not really losing anything. You're not spending money. No one's gonna know you're doing it so you're not risking embarrassment like there's nothing to do and everything to gain by engaging in a process of gratitude and then seeing for yourself what happens.

Agi Keramidas  14:56  
Thank you for this answer. And What you said about the earth? And it's a great example. Because there, there may be as much evidence and backing up of by science by it for everything. But in the end, we have to have some kind of element of belief in the in it as well. So yes, because we don't produce the evidence, ourselves. So that's a great way of combining the two answers, I think. And Andrew Sure. Is there a process or some steps to follow for someone in order to activate the law of attraction working for them?

Andrew Kapp  15:41  
Well, it all comes down to like any. And the reason I say like methods and sites and I say techniques is that's really just an organized, intentional way of inviting good things into your life by inviting a good mood and basically putting yourself in a position where you are thinking about what you want and feeling good at the same time. That goes back to like, you know, I'm thinking about the car, I'm not getting it, you're probably thinking from a sense of lack. So it all comes down to thinking of what you want and feeling good at the same time. So for me, this is all about strategy like me, I'm not the Master of the Universe, I don't see it as me bending the universe to my will. Instead, I'm kind of looking at this like, almost like a scientist almost like a tactician. What can I do within reason within my own power, that's not going to force the universe to bend every which way. But it's going to invite the universe to give me better results about things about my life that I want. So to more directly answer your question. Again, like my book, or any other book worth, its salt will hopefully have methods that will help you intentionally engage in this process. But if you'd like, I'm happy to teach my favorite method from the book, because it's not hard to explain. I call this the time lapse method. And this is a gratitude exercise. And what you're basically going to do is you're going to write down 15 things that you're grateful for. Now, five of them are things that you've received in your past. Five of them are things that you are enjoying in your present, and five of them are things that you want in your future. But the trick to all this is you're phrasing all them in the present tense. And then you're taking that list and you're jumbling it up. So technically, you know, the number first item is a future thing, then a past and a present, then another present than another past and other features, all big jumbled mess. And what you're going to do is you're going to go down the list one at a time reading it off, and taking just 20 to 60 seconds to feel gratitude for that thing. And and here's the thing, you're we were talking about frequency before and the way you vibrate. This is basically strategically tricking your vibration, because two thirds of that list is actually true. And as humans, we can't really downshift that easily from certainty to doubt. So what you're doing is you're taking the certainty of those two thirds, and you're you're carrying it over into the future items that you're listing over, which again, is another way of basically tricking your vibration of telling the universe, that you have that house that you want already, or that girlfriend or boyfriend or that promotion, or that health improvement, or whatever it is, in the midst of all the other things that you already have. Again, you're just you're infusing the same level of confidence and certainty in a more undeniable way. And kind of like boosting the speed and the energy with which you're inviting those things that you still want on that list.

Agi Keramidas  18:20  
That's fascinating. Can you can you give me an example, you said that you you phrase them in the present tense show, if you could give me an example of one of the three categories, the one you received on that you have a present and one you Oh, sure, how would you phrase them?

Andrew Kapp  18:37  
Sure. And by the way, you can do different areas of life. But just to give you to make the example clear for people listening, let's talk about financially or just in terms of success, material success. Yeah, let's say that, five years ago, I finally achieved making $100,000 a year. And right now I am living in the ideal apartment. And my future thing is a house of my own. So maybe one of the statements will be like, you know, I'm so happy and grateful for having achieved the status of making $100,000 a year. I've said that in the present tense. And then apartment I'm so happy and grateful that I've found the perfect apartment. And then for the house, I'm so happy and grateful that I've that I found the ideal house for myself. And you know, and you can go deep into that, you know, I'm so grateful for it's the perfect square footage, or it's the number of rooms that are ideal for me whatever it might be, but I phrased them all in the present tense and by the way, I can have the apartment in the house, I don't have to be like, I now moved out of my apartment. I want to have those details fine, but it's and that's By the way, the beauty of it also, you can be as simplistic or as you know, intricate as you want in this as long as it feels good for you. And it's easy to carry over. But yeah, just those three statements they they were technically past, present and future but I phrased them all in the present. And when I jumble up that list and I read a long enough list and by the way it could be 15 to us to 30 items. If you really want to take that time, it can be 100 items, if you're having fun as long as, as long as it's a choice rather than a chore, and it doesn't feel like a headache every day. But again, I'm convincing or tricking my subconscious mind, and it won't know the difference.

Agi Keramidas  20:15  
Sure, do you write the list? Let's say you're 815 things five of its category. So do you write five of the past five of the present? And then you shuffle them up? Or do you write them in a random order beforehand?

Andrew Kapp  20:31  
Right? So and this is where it comes a question of like, are you writing it down on a piece of paper? Are you typing it out on a computer? The answer to that is whatever you're comfortable. My personal approach is I write them down. But like, who wants to write down the same thing twice, we're busy, right? So I'll write the first list. And like shorthand, I won't be like, I'm so happy and grateful just like the apartment and the car. But then when I write the long list, because I know that I'm really doing it, I like have placeholders like, oh, I'll write the first thing. And then like, I'll number like one through 15. And then I'll go down and just write random numbers on the other side, like that the one that had a number one on one side, I put a number seven. And the number two, I put like another number 15. And then I'll just like use that order, like whatever it is, the way your mind works, so that you can organize it in any different jumbled up mess than Past and Present and Future, just again, so you can confuse your subconscious mind or your vibration enough, that it's harder for it to tell the difference. And you can just enjoy the ride.

Agi Keramidas  21:28  
And do you do you use the same list? Or do you write the new list every day?

Andrew Kapp  21:33  
Right, and but and thank you for asking that. And again, this comes down to the person like me personally, what I used to do was I would write, I would write almost the same list every day, because there were certain things that I were really into, like, the future items were almost always the same. But sometimes I would mix up the the past in the present, because I it challenged me to be grateful for more things that I already had. But but really the answer is you can do whatever you want, you can, you can write one list one time and use that for that use that same list every single week without writing it. Or you could write down the same list every single day. Or you could write down something different every single day, the real key and I'm glad you bring this up. Because what you're really doing is you're you're doing your audience a great service by really asking, what's the perfect way to do it. Because we always fall into that, right? We we fall into the thing of like, Well, how do I really actually do this. And this is the thing, by the way that most people will miss myself included for years, there is no perfect way. And that's the best news in the world. Because since there's no perfect way, there's no way you have to do it, there's only a way that you get to do it. And as long as you are feeling good while thinking about the things that you want, anyway, that as long as it's comfortable, that is the perfect way for you. Which by the way, might be more than one way, there might be 10 different ways of doing it. And you enjoy all 10 ways. And it's like, hey, beautiful go nuts. So my answer a lot of this is like if people like Well, what's the right way, I'd say experiment, experiment for a month. And what they've done is they haven't really just spent a month trying to figure out what the right way is. They've spent the month enjoying themselves every single day regardless, through their pathway of discovery. So it's like it's a win win situation, you're continuing this method, but you're also having fun with experimentation. And you're also giving yourself permission to not be perfect and not put so much pressure on yourself or the universe to get yourself that result.

Agi Keramidas  23:27  
That you're not there that isn't that they asked about this is because of my own personal experience showed doing gratitude practice, I tend to be to write down the same things, it's easier or the mind just focuses on something stand out so much that there were times that I really needed to put some effort to find something that I didn't write yesterday and the day before and the day before. So that's why I'm asking. You know, there's specifics even though your arm said that for me already.

Andrew Kapp  24:03  
And by the way, these are these are the perfect questions that I wish somebody asked on my behalf 15 years ago. So thank you for asking. And, and I will tell you my personal opinion, if you're writing the same thing every day, as long as you feel genuine gratitude on each thing you've won, but also I do love the fact that you challenge yourself because what there there are countless things that we have like another method I have I called the gratitude Blitz. And that's where you just like go on for whether 90 seconds, three minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes. So scrolling through all the things that you're grateful for and and I'm self published, like when I wrote the last law of attraction book you'll ever need to read. I wanted it to be like my way my rules. I didn't want a typical publisher, like tell me how to do it. And because I wrote it my way I got to break the rules. And I had one page, there's no paragraph changes. There's no lines, there's no indentations. It's just one blurred up mess of a list of things that I'm grateful for separated by commas and you flip the page whether you're on a Kindle, or you're on a paperback or you just listen to your Your book, and just like me going on about ice cream cookie is my first kiss my first crush my college prom, like, you know, like all these different things like on and on my laptop, my phone, my health, my fingers, my arms, my hands, my legs, my toes, my eyes, my ears, my sense of smell, my sense of taste like you can go on and on and on. And the more you think about it, you almost get on a roll. You know, just like if anyone's like looking for things to be grateful for they are listening to this podcast on a device. And I guarantee you that device is not only bringing your podcast to them, which is an amazing resource in and of itself. But it's letting them check their email, it's letting them shop, it's an check the weather, it's let them check the news, it's let them keep up with events, it's letting them like keep up with distractions, from events, it's letting them do whatever they need to do to be entertained or informed, or whatever else they need. And there's like so much just that one device to say nothing of your body to say nothing of your best friend who was there and did favors for you, when you were a kid to say nothing of the mentor who took a chance on you to say nothing of that job that hired you, when you didn't have the qualifications and on and on and on and on. There are always things to be grateful for.

Agi Keramidas  26:00  
Okay, brings to mind the secondary or tertiary things that come out of a main thing? Yes. You There is one other thing I am going to go even deeper in this this particular practice. And you say that, the key is to to feel good while you're doing that and to enjoy yourself to evoke that feeling of of gratitude while you're doing it. I have found personally and I'm sure others can relate to that as well, that when you write a gratitude list, you tend to at some points anyway to do it mechanically. So you write things for the sake of writing without necessarily having that feeling that Oh, I'm really grateful in my in my heart for this show. What's your advice on how can someone deal with that and to evoke that, that joy, that happiness, that gratitude,

Andrew Kapp  27:00  
right? So there's actually there's there's two answers that are popping to my head right now, as you asked that. The first one is just as there's like, no perfect way of doing this. There's also I want to advise people against putting pressure on themselves to feel the same blooming gratitude each time, because if you do awesome, but it's not a requirement. And I mean, that in a sense, like, there's people listening to this right now there. And they know about the law of attraction, they tried it a couple years ago, and who knows, and they're gonna give this a shot now. And the first time they do it, most likely, it's going to be awesome. But then the second day, they're going to go back and it's not going to be as vibrant. It's like Well, of course, it's not going to be as vibrant, because like the like there's not like there's novelty there the first time and now you're you're used to it a little bit more. That as long as you feel even just even keel as long as you're not feeling negative, you're in the positive. So even if there's a subtle feeling of gratitude, that's still way more powerful than you realize, because you're not you never understand all the things that are going on energetically in the ether, that your physical senses are not picking up. So I want to give people or have people give themselves permission not to feel that perfectly each time. Although since we enjoy that feeling, why not reach for it? 

Andrew Kapp  28:12  
So to answer your question more directly. That's probably a time where you want to switch up your list and you want to think of new things. And it's also time where you also, you know, take a few extra minutes in the day, meaning rather than going through your list saying, Okay, I'm going to even hit my timer and I got, like 60 seconds go as I dwell on this item. Before I go to the next piece, just to give myself a little more opportunity to see what happens, you know, and again, there's no pressure, it might be just a subtle little thing. And by the way, when the timer goes off, if I'm feeling on a roll, I don't have to go to the next item, I can stick with this. There are no rules preventing you from be like, you know what, I'm gonna go another minute on this item. Because if you could write one thing down and only feel good for that for five minutes, it's just as powerful as writing 15 things down. But because you've achieved gratitude, you've achieved a good feeling. So it doesn't really matter. So more answer to your question, we just keep mixing it up and come up with new ways that feel fresh, so that you can re experience it, but also don't put so much pressure to always experience it in the same vibrant way. Because you won't and that's okay.

Agi Keramidas  29:19  
Thank you and stay with this topic because I find it completely fascinating. And maybe this is actually the distilling good. How can on utilize the law of attraction to their benefit? Is there does the level of detail that you use to write play any role at all. And one more shot? I'll ask that first and there is one one more thing I want to ask. Sure. Well the mind

Andrew Kapp  29:50  
the level of detail, I'd say make it specific as specific as you want to as long as it's not introducing doubt or resistance. Meaning if like The details of the house are not making you all of a sudden wonder how you're going to get it, we'll go with it. But by the same token, even just a general view is, is kind of like in sync with the universe, you could fill in the gaps. Like you know, I want I want a girlfriend who is warm and caring and kind. I personally don't care about her hair color. If I did, I'm putting it in. But if I don't universal surprise me, or maybe thinking of her exact face, like I, I feel doubt like how am I going to produce this exact face. So instead of thinking about her in that way, I will imagine being on the phone call with her and having wonderful deep conversations, because their faces now out of the equation, yet, I still get to feel what it feels like to be in that relationship. So the level detail is up to you, as long as you feel good about it, both general and specific, will lead to good results. Some will shock you with how specific they are, when you go into your specific detail.

Agi Keramidas  30:51  
That's great. And one more thing is it was a technique if you want to deepen the sense of gratitude when we make a list and that was after you write down or you think about an item or an event or something that you are grateful for, to dwell on the reasons to say because I'm grateful for x because of that, so what what are your thoughts on that?

Andrew Kapp  31:21  
Thank you for bringing that up. That That is wonderful. That's that's one of my my gratitude boosters I talk about, like, it's one of the things where when you say I'm so happy grateful for because you're right, it's infusing an extra level, it's, it's basically it's giving your mind the reasons and the permission to feel more gratitude about it. And that is, that is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful way of doing it. Another way, by the way, is picture light coming from your solar plexus or your heart area, extending out into the universe or into whatever or whoever you are thanking for that thing, as you're being grateful is another method by which you can boost the gratitude. So imagine combining them imagine visualizing like from your solar plexus coming out and buzzing, as you're saying the reason and you're like you're combining like you're stacking and combining all these different things at once. You don't have to, but you might as well, it's kind of like, you know, everyone loves ice cream. But why not put the nuts on? Why not put the sprinkles? Why not put the cherry? Why not put the syrup, make the sundae as advanced as like, as you know, intricate as you want. But also the ice cream in and of itself is always going to be good.

Agi Keramidas  32:26  
Awesome.

Unknown Speaker  32:29  
And

Agi Keramidas  32:32  
that's fantastic. I think we went into you went into very much detail, we have answered all the questions I had and never even more of that. Can we go to the other side of it? Now under so let's say that someone and I'm sure you hear that often or other people have done it. They practice these methods, the practice gratitude, they do their best honest efforts, you know, to do lists, and time passes. And not much happens if nothing at all, as I doing something wrong.

Andrew Kapp  33:11  
Technically, and when when when I hear what it is, it's the most frustrating answer in the world. So and technically Yes. And technically No. And I'll give you the yes and the No. So the yes part and here's the rub. When you're doing the method to get the house or the car or the job or the girl or the man, whatever it might be. When you're doing it for the sake of doing that. Oftentimes you're introducing lacking resistance without realizing it. The trick is to do the method for the sake of enjoying it. When you do it for the sake of enjoying it, and you're putting less pressure on the actual result. Believe it or not it ironically, some ironic twist of fate, it frees up you the universe, to bring you the results. So oftentimes people are doing it over and over and over again. They're most likely doing it out of a sense of frustration out of a sense of commitment. It's not a choice, it's a chore, it's something that they're they're annoyed doing, and why wouldn't they be they've been doing it for five years. And they still don't have what they want, of course, they're gonna be upset. But they're not doing it for the sake of the enjoying it, which is like the piece of it. Now that's where if we want to call their fault, that's one way but there's there's another piece of this. And this what I talked about in the book, I think we have three minds. And I'm going to use words that you know scientists would use and psychologists would use for different descriptions. But we'll just say we've got the conscious and the subconscious, but we've also got the ego. Now the ego is kind of like in the middle of the ego is stronger than the cop than the conscious mind. But fortunately, the subconscious mind is stronger than the ego. And the thing about the ego at least the way I define the ego is it only has one job. And that job is to keep you alive. That's all that a cares about. All cares about is that you are live and by the way right now, when you're in that horrible relationship or you don't have a relationship, you're in that horrible job or you don't have a job, you don't have the money you're having health issues. The Eagles like all you're alive right now, I don't care about your discomfort, your dissatisfaction, I don't care about your fulfillment, I don't care about your happiness. My job is to keep you alive in your life right now, how do I know as the ego that when you get money, family won't come out of the woodwork and try to take it from you? How do I know that when you become famous, you won't get a stalker? How do I know like XYZ, like, Listen, we're good, right? Now you're alive. That's my job. So what your ego is going to do is it's even though it can't think and understand that you're going to be safer with the money, you're going to be happier with the relationship, it's going to find devious ways of making you doubt yourself. That's why, you know, people don't really stick with the routines, right, and I will do it tomorrow. That's not your conscious mind. That's your ego, like whispering in your ear, you know, kind of like the angel, the devil on your shoulder, it's like, oh, you'll do it tomorrow, it's fine. It's just trying to keep it at bay. And this is, you know, it's important to understand this, that your ego loves you, it's not trying to screw you over. It wants to keep you alive. And this is how it's doing it, it's trying to care for you, it's misguided, but it's trying. So this is the whole point of the method. And this his whole point of doing the method to enjoy it, rather than to get the result. Because when you can enjoy it, and you look forward, and there's no obligation, it's not a chore, it's easy to do, then you're using those methods and by nature of what they are, they are accessing your subconscious mind. And then your subconscious mind will do the heavy lifting, of reaching out to the universe and of moving you along in your day where you're going to get what you want. Your subconscious mind like I this isn't just about like law of attraction, the way people define it, your subconscious mind will help you and your body language and your inflection in a way that you're going to be more attracted to the person that you're looking for, or you're going to look better at work, you're going to speak more confidently, you're going to come up with better ideas, like all these things are going to happen. Because the subconscious mind is got the wheel and the ego, it can tackle your conscious mind, but it can't do anything about the subconscious. So long winded way of saying it's it's your fault and not your fault. It's like the sense of like this, if it's your fault, meaning there's something that you can do about it. It's in focusing on the enjoyment of the method rather than the result. And then the other piece is just understanding Listen, the egos gonna try to take care of you in a misguided way. But by doing the methods, which if you're enjoying them, you're going to do them, you're going to bypass that go to the subconscious mind and let the heavy lifting be done for you.

Unknown Speaker  37:17  
Thank you,

Agi Keramidas  37:21  
Andrew, obviously, this is such a big topic. We'll be talking for hours with you about this. You describe this time lapse method in great detail. And I appreciate I'm grateful for that. Can you go through one more technique way with us?

Andrew Kapp  37:41  
Short thing. I mean, we went to graduate methods, I snuck in the Blitz there as well. So you know, we can do like let's talk about a visualization one. This one I called the 10 minutes ago method. And this goes down to the reminder that sometimes people think they have to feel the thing perfectly. Like I have to feel what it's like to win the lottery. Otherwise, how's it gonna happen, I have to feel what it's like to be in that house, I have to feel what it's like to whatever it might be. The 10 minutes ago method is basically you visualizing yourself as if you got the news of that of what you wanted 10 minutes ago, or it could be 20 minutes or whatever your brain rationalizes. And the key about this is like if I win the lottery, well, there's, you know, obviously, I'm going to be really excited, but there's no telling how much I will or will not have calmed down 10 minutes later, which is another way of saying, I have permission to feel any emotion at all, as I'm visualizing this without batching it because we always worry about batching it. So by putting yourself in the visualization of your 10 minutes in the future of getting what you want, you can visualize it easier with less pressure on yourself. So what are you doing 10 minutes from now? Are you calling your family? Are you bragging about it on Facebook? Are you telling people not to tell it on Facebook because you don't want people coming up to your money? Like what what are the vivid real life experience details that match your personality and that mirror of who you are that you will be doing and saying and reacting? That's kind of thing and you can do this for 90 seconds or five minutes or 10 minutes just sit down and visualize yourself 10 minutes in the future of having whatever news that you want coming your way?

Agi Keramidas  39:15  
Is this something that the more you do it you get better at it again, I'm asking from personal experience because I trying to do a visualization like this, I find it very difficult, especially to feel the vibration of I have achieved that or I have obtain it. It's it doesn't come to me easy to get into the state of you know the excitement or gratitude for it.

Andrew Kapp  39:47  
Right so there's um there's two pieces well one it does technically it easier in the sense that it gets a muscle that you're working, although it's gonna be a lot harder for it to get easier if you're always putting pressure on yourself every day you know Like, Oh, I just can't do this. But I haven't even better answer because again, you know me, like, you could probably tell by the way I speak, I'm a strategy guy, I'm not trying to bend the universe, my will, I'm just trying to give it an opportunity to give me what I want. So, if I'm having trouble with visualization, most likely because my ego is telling me, I'm having trouble visualization, because the ego is freaking out and doesn't want things to change. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna play your game, that's fine. And instead of even trying to visualize, instead of trying to do the gratitude method, I'm going to do scripting. And again, scripting is really just writing about your life as if you've already living your dream life. And sometimes you can mix in details of what is really in your life already, along with the future stuff, all in the present tense. And here's the thing, even if you don't feel good, if you're writing about if you're putting down the details, pen to paper, or just typing it, there is no denying that you are accessing a part of your mind that's telling you this is true. I mean, Olympic athletes visualize themselves winning the gold medal and running through the event before they win the gold medal. Because the subconscious mind cannot tell the difference between perceived reality and physical reality. I mean, and by the way, we're looking for science before, I mean, Olympic athletes doing something that tells you a lot, and you do research into military military has done a lot in terms of like the human study of the human mind and visualization where it goes. So for me, if I'm having trouble visualizing, I don't even care about that, I am literally going to script instead every day. And it could be a half a page, it could be three pages, it could be whatever I want. And I don't even realize that it really is, even if I don't feel anything fervently, I like it's automatically accessing my subconscious mind, which is automatically reaching out to the universe for me, because the images are in my head, even if I don't see them in my head, the fact that I have to write it down, something is happening, it's impossible for it to not be happening, even if it's not happening in your conscious perception.

Agi Keramidas  41:50  
I sing, thank you.

Agi Keramidas  41:54  
Let's talk about something slightly different under and I'm going to mention the book and the documentary that made the law of attraction well known to to the public, including myself. So back in 2006, it was the secret where he's really popularized the idea of the law of attraction. I remember I watched it first. And then I read the book. And a couple of years ago, I remember being at an event where dr. john demartini, one of the people who were participating in the secret was speaking and he was speaking about, in his words, it was the secret that was left out of the secret. So the missing ingredient if you want and he was talking about the action that was that we must take in order to you know, manifest our desires rather than how the book portrayed it that all you need to do is visualize about it and feel the feelings and then it's going to appear in your front door. So can you share your thoughts on this for me?

Andrew Kapp  43:07  
Yeah, so um, hmm. This actually borrowing more of like an Abraham thing, who was in the original secret. But there was a whole thing that didn't make in the book because there's a publishing issue, but actions required, but it's inspired action. And what I mean by that is like, you want to get somewhere like, we're in a physical three dimensional experience. Action isn't an obligation, it's a gift. But the thing is, if you're taking action out of lack and fear, it's much less likely to go where you want it to go versus taking action out of like passion and enthusiasm. And it's so interesting that you bring this up to me because I'm not sure your your publishing schedule and when this interview is going to be released to the public. But as we're speaking right now, my one of my YouTube videos is being published that goes into this. It's about this wrestler, the MS. And if anyone that follows WWE and follows wrestling. The really cool thing about the MS is that the this is the only time where you see on documented television, because before he was ever a professional wrestler, he was on MTV in the real world. He was already on a TV show. And in that show, he he wants to be a wrestler. He wants to be the WWE Champion. And he bought this toy belt from a costume shop and he's running around the house. Like like a maniac like I'm the moves I got the belt. And he's guys cast mates by playing around with them and and what I do my videos I show you that I juxtapose him acting like that, and then the footage of him actually winning the WWE Championship in real life in WWE 10 years later, and nobody wins the WWE Championship. And we know it's pretty determined but but still we know nobody wins that without blood, sweat and tears. And he went through a lot of difficult trying times because that's not an easy industry. The the other wrestlers the other talent, they could really hard for it hard for you to make it through. But his action was inspired action. He was so fueled by that vision. He loves getting in the ring. He loves getting on the road. He loved doing all the media appearances. It was hard, grueling work, but he still loved that it was inspired action. So that's my long winded way of saying like, you know, you want to lose weight. I mean, technically, it is possible to just visualize it, and your body will respond and make it happen. But you also got to remember that we are so programmed and patterns of thought, that tell us that eating right and working out are a huge contributing factor, that if you don't do that, you're you're creating too much resistance for yourself, I believe you can literally visualize yourself into losing 50 pounds. But that's potentially since most people won't believe it, they won't let themselves do it. So of course, you want an exercise and nutritional help with that, because it's going to give your body the permission and the click to be like, okay, now it's time to lose weight.

Agi Keramidas  45:52  
You know, when you said that, and that's, that's outstanding. What you said about inspired action made me think and wonder. So let's say I intend to manifest something in my life, through the law of attraction. However, I don't feel inspired to take the action to to achieve it could that be that this is not what my court or my being wants for, for me, and I'm trying to project something out of my, maybe not something that is not really true to my vision, or to my purpose as a human being?

Andrew Kapp  46:34  
Right. So here's, here's the, here's the hard part, and I'm gonna give you the easy part on the end of it. The hard part is, that's a possibility. It's possible, it's not really for your highest good and you kind of know it already. It's also possible that you don't really believe you can do it, and you don't want to put yourself through it. Now, we don't really know the answer. And by the way, there might be other possibilities. If we don't have the exact answer with certainty, then it all it comes back to what if you were to practice these methods for five minutes a day feeling good about this thing? Because over time, you will make a decision, a more definitive decision based on joy and based on confidence, whether you're going to do this or not. Because if you keep doing a method of like, we'll just use like a job, like a job that you want to get you want to go to law school. I mean, wow, that's that's a lot of years. A lot of work, right? You want to be an attorney? All right, well, you're visualizing this with enthusiasm every single day. At some point, maybe it's a month later, maybe it's a week later, maybe it's you, who knows, you're gonna be like, either, okay, I really don't want this. I want the money that comes with it. I've realized this, or I want the status. Or it might be a thing of like, No, no, I do want this. And thanks to me visualizing and feeling good. Now I finally believe I can do it. So now I'm going to go with it. So it really becomes a thing of whether or not as for your highest good or it's you're just doubting yourself, the answer will be revealed. When you engage in very easy techniques, scripting, gratitude visualization over time, and you let the answer be revealed. And by the way, while all this is going on, to whatever measure you can, excuse me, it's whatever measure you can. Another reason to do these methods every day is try to enjoy your life. Like, if you want to be an attorney, it's no matter what it's going to take a few years, please enjoy your life while you're there. While you're doing it. You want to lose 50 pounds, that might take a couple of months, please enjoy your life while you're doing it. You want to meet the person of your dreams, who knows it could be tomorrow, it could be next year, please enjoy your life on the way to it. Because why not like life is meant to be enjoyed, please. And the more you enjoy it, the more you will invite those results anyway, in make joy. Don't make joy. This goal, make joy, your strategy. When joy becomes your strategy, it becomes something that you get to achieve and receive and enjoy right away. But also it gets to be something that will push you more into what you want.

Agi Keramidas  48:50  
Yeah, so I think it was Buddha who said that happiness is the path. It's summer we arrive. It's how we go. And I wanted to ask one more thing about inspired action. And I want to ask you, when you had your own initial experience, when you said that you lost your business and your partner at that time, did you find that? practicing the law of attraction the way that you did at that time, and made you take inspired action when you found more, you felt more inspired towards doing specific things?

Andrew Kapp  49:34  
Right. So I was I don't know if I use the word fortunate. But I was I was so miserable and so upset with myself and how my life had been at that point. Because I mean, you know, you lose your business and your girlfriend in less than a week. You know, you're going to be pretty upset about it right. So for me I was just so stubborn and indignant that fortunately, before even getting to the inspired action part I just refused to quit. I was like, I don't care when or how something happened. I've seen a kind of work in the past, I am doing this. But then when I got results, it was basically my life experiencing. Okay, now I have permission to give myself inspired action. I don't have to be so upset anymore. I don't have to do this doesn't have to be running away from the breakup and the loss of the business, this could be running towards something instead. So for me, for whatever reason, I was upset enough, that kept me going at this long enough to get a result that was good enough that I could then reach towards that in the future. I'm not sure if that answered your question that was kind of popped out as you asked it.

Agi Keramidas  50:34  
To some extent, but if what do you say about being upset?

Agi Keramidas  50:37  
It's like,

Agi Keramidas  50:39  
I'm going away from something? Yes, you don't like when I say inspired, I was asking for something that you feel more pulled towards, that compels you to take action, which you may not have necessarily considered before, but it pops out or it appears and you really feel that. And I'm still referring to the concept of inspired action that you mentioned. Because it makes all the difference. Obviously, if you if you have to bang your head against the wall in order to take action, such so much more difficult. If you have inspired action, it's like you have a big push behind us, the wind is behind your back and you just fly.

Andrew Kapp  51:26  
Yeah, it's like, for me, it's me personally, it's about leaning into it. Because when you lean into it, the inspired action comes like it'll pop in there. When I'm when I'm leaning towards a result that I want. I'm like, Okay, um, you know, I like so I'll use my book as a perfect example. Like, you know, if I discovered this or figures out 12 years ago, why did it take until last year to write the book, right? was because I just had not come to the determination that I can articulate this in a way that I think would help others. But then I made the decision that I was going to, like, I want to provide value, let me do this. And I wrote the book in only nine and a half weeks. But I wrote it like I stayed up till 4am every single night. So that was inspired action. Like it was work, like I really pushed myself through. But I felt like I'll tell you, a little trick I did for myself is I designed the cover while I was starting the book. Because that way, if I ever felt myself, like, you know, my enthusiasm going, I could look at the book. And I could visualize, oh, look, and I love my book cover. I'm like, this is the coolest thing ever. And it kept me like I'm writing today's chapter that does it. So like inspired action comes in so many ways it comes when you're thinking about the result, it comes when you're midway through something, it comes in all sorts of directions. And you'll know sometimes it'll be like a huge nudge. And sometimes it'll be a subtle nudge. But it'll always be a forward progress nudge where you feel just like a little good. And to speak really briefly about the thing where I felt bad. And obviously, we don't want to feel bad. I do want to say if feeling bad becomes your excuse to try this and then feel good. I say use whatever you have at your disposal, whatever you can use as an excuse to do these methods for just 35 minutes a day for 30 days. Use that excuse to get you over the top.

Agi Keramidas  53:13  
Awesome, fantastic. And, well, this has been such an amazing conversation. Thank you very much, Andrew, I want to ask you also some quickfire questions to start wrapping things up, for sure. And I will go a bit more general. Now with this. Tell me first of all, what does personal development mean to you?

Andrew Kapp  53:41  
It means what means working? Basically, it means working on any old patterns that you may have experienced in the past that are encouraging you to doubt or to believe in limits. For me personal development is finding ways of going around those patterns that we unintentionally given so that we can give ourselves permission to live more fulfilling life.

Agi Keramidas  54:03  
Okay. And if you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, and you were allowed to give him one piece of advice, what would that be?

Andrew Kapp  54:13  
Hmm. This All right, this sounds very cheesy, because it sounds like I'm trying to sell my book but I, I wrote the book for people to save them all the headaches, I would give them my book. I'm like, Listen, you have two choices. You could follow this now and be happy now. Or you can go through a bunch of years of unhappiness and searching and then figure it out. I leave it to you. I recommend you do this. And by the way, if people don't want to bind, like any book, any good solid book, that will that has methods that will encourage people to do it. I would have just given that nudge and I'd say like it's up to you, dude. You're probably not going to listen to me but at least I did my best to warn you.

Agi Keramidas  54:51  
That's great advice. And, you know, I will digress a little bit and the thing with books, especially the personal development books, that many people, and I will point the finger at me in the past, I used to read the books, but not apply the knowledge. So I was left with, Oh, I know lots of things about law of attraction. But I think, for example, and but I wouldn't put in those five minutes or 10 minutes to act on the learnings of the book. And that's a, I think it's a very subtle trap about personal development books that they're not meant to be read like a novel. Yeah, they're fascinating. And you can talk about those things for hours. But your life won't change unless you start. Practice the what you've learned from the book, there is a distinct difference.

Andrew Kapp  55:45  
Yes, that's actually why I named the book The way I did. It's like, my book isn't the last one you'll ever read. I mean, hopefully, it will be, but it's less one you'll ever need to, in the sense that like any law of attraction book worth, its salt should be enough. If you do the methods, it all comes down to doing the methods.

Agi Keramidas  55:59  
Absolutely. Andrew, if you had a magic wand, and you could wave it and change something in the world, as it is today, what would you change?

Unknown Speaker  56:08  
Hmm.

Andrew Kapp  56:11  
I would instantly give people awareness of the other person, because we were so caught up in what we believe is right. And we may be right or not. But if you actually saw what the other person was thinking, it would one account conflicts will be erased overnight, or, or at least, you know, a lot of undue harm would be erased overnight, because all of a sudden, it isn't like oh, this person is trying to trying to beat me. It's like no, this person actually believes X, Y and Z, I would give people instant awareness of everybody else and how they're seeing things.

Agi Keramidas  56:46  
That's absolutely fascinating. I've never thought of it. Like, like that. Imagine if we could see even for a second to to be in another notice not shoes, the other person's brain and feel that

Andrew Kapp  57:03  
and to see and to see you throwing shoving your opinions down their throat? And like, Oh my God, is that how it is?

Agi Keramidas  57:13  
Andrew, do you want to share with us a big breakthrough that you had recently.

Andrew Kapp  57:20  
Um, you know, it's it's so funny. Recently, my break through, it hasn't been this dramatic thing. I just found myself personally, just going through the day with more ease. It's more like a calm thing. Like I have this really dramatic goal, or I want a million YouTube subscribers. And I've got about like, 770 right now. So we've got a way to go. And I want to sell a million copies of my book, and then go from there. These are huge goals. I'm not stressing them, I'm just kind of like, floating my way to them. So my breakthrough has just been like an ease with which I'm going about this. And I'm literally just going day by day and not stressing the small stuff. And to me, especially to my 18 year old self, that is a huge, huge breakthroughs.

Agi Keramidas  58:04  
And let me ask the opposite question, or kind of the opposite. Do you want to share with us a big mistake that you've recently made show again, avoid doing the same.

Andrew Kapp  58:15  
Um, I mean, I'll put this way. I don't even want to share details. Because it's shining a spotlight on the wrong person, I let something upset me more than it needed to like somebody was basically not this work. They were attacking other work. It's kind of like a long story. But it didn't matter. Like they had no power over me. And I let it get to me. So I guess that's my, you know, keeping a close to the vest way of saying like, a lot of times things upset us more than they should, in the sense that the person that's upsetting you or the things that's upsetting you doesn't technically have control over your life, and you're the one that's giving them free rent in your mind. And it's easier said than done to get them out. But the first thing it's got to start with just the awareness that they are living in your mind run free, and just get upset enough about it. Like Listen, I got to do something about this, I gotta get my mind off of it. Because most things upsetting you really don't have power over you.

Agi Keramidas  59:10  
And that's great. And that's I think it's a very big game changer once one. Once someone realizes that it is themselves. It's not not never someone else that can make them angry, upset or anything. It's our selves that we make ourselves that no one else has the power to do that. No, there's no way.

Agi Keramidas  59:34  
And Andrew

Agi Keramidas  59:35  
emerging from this conversation that we've had, if you were to give to the listener, one actionable item to do once they finish the podcast, what would that be? So

Andrew Kapp  59:51  
whether it's my book or another book, or you don't put out your wallet and you just go on YouTube, I would say find some kind of method Gratitude, scripting, visualization, something that you think you can enjoy and just do it for the sake of enjoying it, because five minutes a day is not going to hurt you. Again, you might not, you don't have to spend money, just go on YouTube and do it. But do do this, do this gift for yourself to yourself this service of trying it. Even if it went nowhere, you spent five minutes a day feeling good. My my plea to people is just do that for themselves and understand that you're worth it, you are worthy of so much more than you give yourself credit for. And that you give yourself permission for. And you don't have to change the world. You don't have to make any dramatic shifts. You just have to do something for five minutes a day. And it'll it'll really carry you so give yourself the gift of doing it.

Agi Keramidas  1:00:44  
Fantastic. And there, is there anything you were hoping I would ask you today and we completely missed it.

Andrew Kapp  1:00:55  
oggy, I got to tell you, I don't know how much you hear this. But I'm so impressed with the level of depth and insight that you came when with your questions. There's nothing, there's no place, there's no stone that you didn't turn over. I really enjoyed this conversation. And you know, I guess I got to give your audience credit for finding you. Like I believe they found someone really, really great and someone to follow, that's going to bring a lot of great content to them. You. You were wonderful. So I my long way of saying no, you, you hit everything that I would have hoped to share about my understanding of this topic in a way that I would hope will help other people.

Agi Keramidas  1:01:32  
Thank you, I really am grateful to hear you say that. And what they say is that I first of all, obviously the listener benefits from from the knowledge that is and the wisdom that is shared. But the first beneficiary, the first recipient of that is myself, and I always try to find people that I can learn from first. Because I think that that is the only way to be authentic enough to to ask the right questions. Because I if I have a list of questions that you know, may not interest me personally, it would be a completely different energy in the conversation. This is these are topics that totally fascinate me. And they are in my path of personal growth shows. That's why I liked what you said about leaving no stone unturned. So thank you very much.

Andrew Kapp  1:02:37  
Yeah, I really love this conversation.

Agi Keramidas  1:02:40  
How they lost? How can people connect with you find out more about you the book where your YouTube channel, sharing everything that you want with us?

Andrew Kapp  1:02:50  
Sure. I mean, I imagine you're global. So I'm always used to the American sites. I mean, I know if you go to last law of attraction book.com, I imagined it would forward to the US, Amazon, both book listing for the last law of attraction book you'll ever need to read. But you know, any Amazon local to you if you search for the last law of attraction book you'll ever need to read. And if you don't want to pull out your wallet, I mean, I keep free content on YouTube. My channel is Andrew cap with a K. So I know America, it's youtube.com slash Andrew cap. But I imagine people could find it just the same either way.

Agi Keramidas  1:03:21  
Any social media or anything like that. So

Andrew Kapp  1:03:25  
for me for YouTube, for this content, like I keep it really straight, like you know, did you know there's ways to do channels by finger people going to get the most value from either the book or the YouTube channel. So I'll just point them right there. Nice and simple, fewer links for people to worry about.

Agi Keramidas  1:03:41  
Awesome, outstanding. I want to thank you. I really thank you from my heart for this conversation. It's been outstanding. And I certainly know what I'll be in for a few minutes every day starting tomorrow, first thing so I really appreciate the knowledge and what you've shared with us. And and I want to wish you all the best with your book with the 1 million subscribers that it's an awesome gorge. And yeah. any parting words?

Andrew Kapp  1:04:18  
Well, I just want to say again, thank you so much for having me. Thanks to your audience for listening. And, you know, I think out of formality, we always say Oh, it was a pleasure to be on or I really enjoyed like no, I really enjoyed this conversation. And I really appreciate the care with which you go about this. So I'd say I wish you all the best on your podcast, I have no doubt that it's going to grow independent of my wishes, and I'm really excited for you.

Agi Keramidas  1:04:44  
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Agi Keramidas  1:05:31  
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