#202 Wealth consciousness, the spiritual side of cryptocurrencies, and reframing your money mindset, with Alex Dudgon.

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Agi Keramidas  0:06  
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Today's show I'm delighted to speak with Alex Dudgon. Alex, you're a qualified meditation teacher and also a conscious cryptocurrency educator, helping spiritually minded people become financially sovereign and free. You are the founder of the Enlightened crypto community where you help others elevate the wealth consciousness and create abundance in the cryptocurrency space. Alex, what a joy it is to be speaking with you today.

Alex Dudgon  1:29  
Thank you for the lovely introduction. Again. Happy to be here. And thanks for having me on.

Agi Keramidas  1:35  
There are some things that I'm very, very intrigued to discuss with you, Alex. And we certainly go there before we before we jump into the crypto and all these different things that you do. I want to talk a bit about your your journey, which is fascinating. So what was your turning point from your turning point to meditation and spirituality in your life?

Alex Dudgon  2:04  
Yeah, sure. So I suppose my journey started quite a while back. Once I finished university, I started working in the corporate world demo degree marketing, just because I kind of knew that a lot of work in that industry, I didn't really know what I wanted to do. Once I was working that nine to five lifestyle, I kind of immediately found it a bit. soul destroying. And that's no disrespect to anyone that does that because people love it and whatnot. But it just wasn't for me. So I ended up saving up some money and going travelling. I lived in Australia for two years. Partly just picking up random jobs with all sorts worked in like, even like a laundry on point. And yeah, as I was travelling around that back in, so that was a lot of fun. I mean, yeah, unfortunately, that came to a kind of sad ending because my dad was ill to come back home. I looked after my dad. And yeah, sadly, a few months later passed. So that was really obviously intense, because I was really close to my dad and watching him slowly. deteriorate was quite rough. While really rough, and then yeah, after that, obviously, I'd find some peace of mind, because it was a very traumatic experience. And I'd always been interested in meditation. Part of my travel through Australia, I did three months in Asia, through Southeast Asia and India, and obviously meditation, and all that kind of stuffs huge over there. So this just felt like a great time to get involved and start practising. So started off just doing odd little bits. And before I knew it, I was meditating every day. 10 minutes, sometimes half an hour, I was just feeling so much better. And then it just changed my whole life really. Before that, I was very much like a party boy is going to drink on the weekend. Fine sports, didn't really care for much else, but it wasn't kind of fulfilled, if you know what I mean. They have any great sense of purpose. It was all kind of coming towards the end because hunger was getting worse and yeah. So my father passed so it was kind of looking to completely redirect my life. So meditation helped me be more conscious of my decisions. I've pretty much stopped drinking part from the other occasion. And yeah, just trying to find what purpose and journey in life. And then since then, it's been a wild journey, I suppose synchronistic events, I'm sure you have many of those yourself from what we were discussing before. So yeah, and then, from there, I eventually ended up teaching meditation, I went to India and did a course over there. That was a lot of fun. have taught workshops, classes. And

Agi Keramidas  5:27  
now what made you want to what made you want to teach meditation?

Alex Dudgon  5:33  
Yes, like I say, it helped me through such a difficult time. And I use the Insert time up mainly. So from there, I kind of eventually for I really want to give this back to people wasn't much of that going on. In my local area. Meditation was a little bit of yoga, but not much meditation, or the big turning point, I did an Ayahuasca retreat, as well as part of my kind of healing process. And within that, I was kind of guided or going deep within myself, guided by myself to kind of go for it. So I quit my job at the time, and booked a flight out to India, which started the journey. It's been really rewarding, because like I say, Insight Timer really helped me for that difficult time. And now, my meditations are on Insight Timer, you get like lovely messages coming through comments. So yeah, it's kind of really nice to go full circle with it.

Agi Keramidas  6:42  
Where did you have that Ayahuasca ceremony? Was that during your travels?

Unknown Speaker  6:49  
Know, I'd already moved back home.

Agi Keramidas  6:53  
Alright, it's a usually, I have spoken with some of my other guests in the podcast and federal or the South America, journalists the place that they often say so. Maybe,

Alex Dudgon  7:08  
yeah. Now I'd love I'd love to go down there and do it. In the kind of homeland definitely one day, I haven't so far.

Agi Keramidas  7:17  
What was your? I know, it's a difficult, probably very difficult question. But if there is, one, the biggest shift or realisation you had as a result of that experience? What would you tell them?

Alex Dudgon  7:32  
Yeah, sure. So I'd say the main thing, the first night, I was talking about this with someone yesterday. Sounds a bit kind of cheesy, but it's just the complete truth of how I felt was like, my heart sort of opened. And people I didn't like, I was just kind of seeing it from a completely different perspective. You know, everyone's got their own journey had their own little traumas on the way. It's made them what they are, I was just like an acceptance and love for myself and other people unconditionally. Now feeling that in day to day life, or the time is something somewhere where I'm not at the moment like, you know, 99.9% Aviva. But it kind of opened the door to that possibility. And that's kind of where I want to elevate to my spiritual journey. Thank you.

Agi Keramidas  8:28  
That's, that's beautiful. And it's, you said that it might sound cheesy, but I think it is. So such a common description of similar experiences, or spiritual awakening, if you want to, or whatever you want to call it, this element of love and openness and connectedness. I think that's how everyone is, or most people describe it. So I think it's pretty accurate.

Alex Dudgon  8:57  
Yeah, that's a great word for it. Like it was just absolutely beautiful. And after each time, we sat with a medicine the next day in the morning, we'd pass around a microphone in this huge year, there's like 20 people, and everyone would share experience and everyone's experience was completely different. Like you say, that sense of connectedness that you had with everyone in the room for kind of being brave enough to go for the process and then sharing and being open about it. I found it really liberating. It just makes you think, how the world could be if we were a lot more open and honest with ourselves and each other.

Agi Keramidas  9:37  
Exactly. And let me drive breeds then what we've seen now with what we'll go to talk about as well. So how does one go from being very much spiritually aware if you want to use that phrase and meditating and becoming a teacher of meditation? How what was the transition to crypto? How does that fit into your? Your you know,

Alex Dudgon  10:09  
your path? Yeah, definitely. It's a good question. And I've been asked this a few times on podcast, I suppose for me, like a big part of my spiritual path is kind of being free being a sovereign being not needing to be dependent on kind of outside forces. So crypto for me, is a kind of a sovereign path liberation from governments banks, in to depend on them for our monetary system, something that works for the benefit of the people in general, rather than just a small group of people like accurate system does. And I think, to kind of grow spiritually, you need your basic needs met. Obviously, there's monks and like now, and they give them food and all that kind of stuff. But for the majority of people, that's not realistic. So you need, you know, a basic level of financial security, to be able to elevate your consciousness, because if you're worried about where your next meal is coming from, it's hard to you know, meditate and grow and all the rest of it. So, yeah, I think it's important. I did a talk about this recently, it was kind of comparing Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and the chakra system. So obviously, at the bottom, you know, it's all about your basic needs. And you look at the root chakra, and the chakra system. It's all about security, safety. It's really interesting when you match them up, and actually both use this a similar colour coding as well. And when you get to the both the top of both, it's about Self Realisation. So for me, yeah, Wealth Mastery in having that strong base, covers those lower chakras and the lower Maslow's hierarchy of needs and needed to elevate.

Agi Keramidas  12:20  
That's a great answer. And you're touching on something that believes it's important to discuss further and in many people's heads, or minds, if you want, the spirituality and money are often on opposite sides. So you save often people who are spiritual, and I'm going to be using these words very freely now. So I'm not putting any labels, but your show we can understand of what we mean. They don't necessarily have a good relationship with money and worth or even they see it as something that is not something that is spiritual. And I'm not saying that everyone thinks like that, but I think it is quite a common element. And even more many times, you see people who are deeply spiritual, having issues with money. So I want to hear your thoughts about the, you know, those two sides and how, maybe they're not even two sides, but for some reason, we see them as two different sides. So tell me your, your thoughts on this?

Alex Dudgon  13:39  
Yeah, I kind of kind of sit on the fence with that I could see both sides, I don't think it's necessary. And if money is necessary for your spiritual path, you know, you could have absolutely none of it and you could become enlightened and all the rest of it. But at the same time, I think you can kind of utilise one for the other, and the end of the day money's energy. And when I do a lot of spiritual practices, again, it's all about energies. And so in my eyes, if I can find ways to utilise my life energy, you can give more, you have more abundant life more freedom to do the things that you want to do. Like I love travelling. I've got a baby girl and provide for. So yeah, and a big part of spirituality for me is giving. So the more I can give, the better. And you can't give from an empty glass, whatever this is.

Agi Keramidas  14:46  
Yes, yes, you can pull from an empty cup or whatever the methods are. Yes. You said about money being energy. Tell me a bit more about that as a frame of mind. Again, I suppose you are aware that many people don't consider money to be that they consider it to be something more physical or something else. But in terms of money equal energy. Can you expand on this for me?

Alex Dudgon  15:16  
Yeah, sure, well, obviously, for a lot of people who work a job, they're paid per hour for whatever they do. So that's their life energy that has been paid an hourly rate. A real simple example. And a lot of the time, you know, obviously, now there's a lot of corruption moving money as well. Really, if you have a service, that is helping other people, it's what other people want them, they're putting their energy into that, and that they've given it to you sort of thing. So for me, yeah, it's just like, free flowing, energy, moving in and out, going where it's most beneficial.

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There was something that that you said there earlier, that was very, in a way it was terrifying the way you usually described it, you said something about the life our life energy being paid an hourly rate, and that's thinking about that can really cause some deeper thinking about what is it that many people do on a day to day basis, like the spinning wheel that goes nowhere? And depleting? There's the life energy? I'm using that that it was the phrase that you that you said was very. I think it resonated. And I'm sure it's, it can be a very reflective question for people to ponder on.

Alex Dudgon  18:27  
Yeah, no, no, you mean and, again, this is another draw for me to crypto. Because like I say, I have worked that kind of nine to five lifestyle, and that hourly rate, giving up my time for a specific rate. And it's kind of like comes down to your beliefs of yourself, and how you value yourself and your own time. And then in crypto, see now you can create money much easier. Now, I'll probably only spend maybe 20 hours a week, actually working within crypto focusing on finances. When whereas before it was more like 40 hours a week. And then the rest of my time I have much more time to do my meditation, teaching, writing blogs, podcasting, the things that I really love to do. It's kind of interesting, that people always say you have to work harder, harder, harder to create more money, but I don't think that's the case at all. It's more about working smarter. But first of all, you have to kind of get rid of all your previous beliefs. And a lot of it is around your beliefs, your emotions, your mindset, which is creating your life basically

Agi Keramidas  19:58  
get you the dopamine A bit more about this, especially the the money mindset, the mindset related to money, which needs to be reframed. And then our last show of humour, let's say practical things about crypto. But I think this is key in in any investing really, but especially in crypto, which is considered to be highly volatile and speculative, or however else people can call it. But in terms of that money mindset, reframing it, do you think there is something in particular that one needs to reframe in order to transition and look, maybe it's crypto or investing in a different way, or even passive income or all these things?

Alex Dudgon  20:49  
Well, I think the number one belief you have to start with is that it's possible for you to create financial abundance, because that is a big black invite. And even if some people think consciously, if you go deep into the subconscious, you might find something different. They don't think it's something that they're capable of, or something that they deserve. So I think, yeah, self esteem, things that do come into it. And it's like old beliefs that you have programmed into, from as a child, who's like, money doesn't grow on trees. Which is ironic, of course, because I make paper money out of trees. And this kind of stuff, if you've got that imprint in your head, and you always think there's a scarce a scarce amount of money in the world. And you've got to try and fight just to get your little bit to survive. That's not an abundant mindset that's going to bring in this energy, it's kind of resisting it in a way and being fearful of it. So we say a big start point is an openness and a real belief that you can create abundance for yourself.

Agi Keramidas  22:05  
That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing this answer. I think it's very clear. And it's very obvious also, that if that is in the way, you can never go to the financial abundance if you think that it is reserved for some special people or someone else anyway, not, not you and your URI this programming, it is things that we most people carry across from their childhood, and they get reinforced, and it's in a way, it's very refreshing and great to see that there are this new ideas that are spreading the last few years, it's more and more and more well known. And I don't know how much clip to had to do with with that as well. Or, but bringing the I wanted to bring the conversation to the cryptocurrencies since we've been mentioning them. And what I wanted to ask you, Alex, is this, from what it looks this transition from how we have been using money or the the current system of manual law to this transition to this new system that is small. It's based on Kryptos is decentralised. And I don't want to go into technical details or as to what I'm sure that anyone who wants to know what the blockchain is, can find some very good educational material. And but can you tell me in a nutshell, that's the only thing I will ask about that. Why are cryptocurrencies better than the current system who has with money if you were to give me the basic advantage? And that's really probably only the only technical question I will ask I but I think it's important to do for someone to understand why it showed such a big deal.

Alex Dudgon  24:09  
Yeah, definitely, definitely. No, I think if you ask different people that have different answers, because there are so many benefits, but for me, the main one, I think, comes down to trust. So obviously, in the past, our whole money system is based on trust in banks in government, and that's your only option. And they're human beings like you and me. And as we've seen time and time again, throughout history, human beings can be easily become greedy, corrupt, and all the rest of it. Whereas cryptocurrency takes that trust element away, particularly Bitcoin, because you're putting your trust in mathematics and coding rather than people. It's all there for being able to see, I'm not a coder, I can't go in and read it myself. I know a lot of people can say it's completely transparent. No one can fiddle with that. There's a certain amount of bitcoin comes into existence every day. Every four years, that supply is haft. So at the moment, I think it's 6.25 Bitcoin every 10 minutes. In 2024, that a half to about three Bitcoin every 10 minutes comes into existence. So this is all programmed in, and they'll only ever be 21 million Bitcoin. Whereas our old system that can print money at will, we've seen a lot of hyperinflation at the moment, because they've done so much money printing in response to the pandemic serving in the UK, it's about 5% a record in the last 34 years in the US even higher. So it's just proven. Now, at this time, why it's such an important thing. Can you

Agi Keramidas  26:07  
envision a future where humanity uses Bitcoin or any equivalent, instead of the money as we have been using?

Alex Dudgon  26:21  
Yeah, 100%. I mean, I envisioned it before, but now we're actually seeing it in real time, because in El Salvador, I made it legal tender. Back in, I think it was June, July times that lead going, yeah, yeah, just Bitcoin. So they actually price things in the shop in SATs, which is like, I think it's about an a millionth of a bit coin or, you know, a tiny fraction of a bit going pricings. In the shop with that, they use something called the lightning networks, it's just a QR code to pay for things is tap that on and automatically goes through a tiny cost. Even like street vendors selling ice creams or using it sooner. It's a really practical thing. In a country like that. It's perfect, because 70% of their population didn't have a bank account, which is common in a lot of third world countries, which people don't realise. But pretty much all of those people had a mobile phone. So they're automatically banked now. Because the government have helped set them up on these apps, even gave them some free bitcoin to get them started. So yeah, I could just see that spreading throughout the world, obviously, there's going to be a lot of resistance from central banks and governments and some, some countries are going to ban it altogether, like China. I think a lot of other countries will embrace it. Yeah. And change the world in a good way, in a positive way.

Agi Keramidas  27:56  
And personally, I wonder sometimes if it's going to replace the system or coexist, at the same time, as you know, maybe not the the current financial system that we have, but you you know, that they, many governments and central banks are creating their own cryptocurrencies, which from what I understand the thing will not be decentralised they will be cryptocurrencies, but they will have all the they won't be that element of transparency that you said there. I liked what you said about trust, trusting in mathematics, which is the universal law, I believe. The one language is the one language that the universe will base to.

Unknown Speaker  28:43  
But numbers don't lie to them.

Agi Keramidas  28:46  
Only if only if humans tweak the numbers to their advantage. depredation of the numbers. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  28:55  
yeah, definitely.

Agi Keramidas  28:58  
Let me ask you about investing as well. In is there's, there are so many things I could ask you. But one simple question that I would ask you Is that who is? Does it need to be? Or does someone need to have a certain level of knowledge or been specially savvy with computers or mathematics to to operate them or not to operate, I will correct myself to actually invest and do it in a way that creates an income since that's what you are teaching and helping others with?

Alex Dudgon  29:41  
Yeah, I mean, obviously, the more education you can get, the better the more likely to you are to perform better. But even with a small amount of knowledge, there's no reason why you can't just what we call dust. dollar cost average into a position. So for example, you can even put as little as, you know, 10 pounds a week or whatever it is into Bitcoin. And then even with the volatility, it's kind of cancelling the volatility out because you every week you put in a bid. So over time you get this kind of average price. If you look at people that have done that, over the years, turned out very favourably for them. Yeah, to answer the other parts of your question, now, there's apps on your phone that make it so easy to buy crypto. I always recommend the people in my community to use crypto.com. Because it's insured, it's really secure. really user friendly, for starters. So yeah, and like say, even in third world countries like El Salvador, they've been educated and on how to do it. So I think it's really open for everyone. And because of the decentralised aspect, there's a saying in crypto, that we're all the CEO of Bitcoin, anyone who is mining or owns a bit of Bitcoin, they own a bit of the network. So it's that kind of going back to the spiritual sighs that interconnectedness between everyone. Thank you.

Agi Keramidas  31:19  
And let's say, Alex, that someone listening to this now gets intrigued. So my question is, in terms of being able to create an income from cryptocurrencies, as you were saying earlier, my the two things I want to ask if someone wants to, you know, any income from cryptocurrency, what kind of the first is what kind of Capital One needs to have in order, you know, to get back in return or income? That is enough for them? And obviously, that's a general question, but and the other is, what kind of time? How much time does one need to dedicate in order to be able to? Because you mentioned something like 40 hours that's, say full time working on this? Is that necessary? Or is it short? Can you briefly explain that for me?

Alex Dudgon  32:32  
Well, yeah, like, like, say, obviously responsible for the community as well. So I have to gather that 20 hours that I'm putting in is gathering a lot of education information. So I'm best informed to help advise other people, as well as do my own stuff, where you could literally just put, I don't know, an hour in a week, and you could find out what's going on in the space. Move bits around, because to answer your question about making a passive income, there's a number of ways you can do it. You can act as a as a bank in a way, so you can lend coins to other people, and you get paid out an interest for that, you can do what's called staking. So some Kryptos use a system called Proof of stake. So if you commit your coins into a staking pool, that is helping run the network, and then you get paid out an interest for doing for doing so. And then the third way, which is interesting, once you've made some decent money in crypto, you can put your profits into what's called stable coins. So there's one chord us DC or USD T, and they're pegged to the US dollar. But the interest you can get on those you can get 8% you can get 10% depending on what platform you use. And obviously in the bank, you get in what 0.1% which is pathetic, it's you're basically losing 5% a year because of the rate of inflation. So in what 10 years, you've lost half your wealth by Britain in a savings account, which is crazy when you think about it.

Agi Keramidas  34:21  
It certainly is crazy. And yeah, hopefully more people see that now but in terms of time investment, how much realistically time one should expect to give and don't I'm not mean the one hour a week to start I mean, realistically and say that I want to create an income from cryptocurrency how much time would I need to be put in every week on a on a regular basis and what kind of you know learning curve is there Do I need to spend months learning about it and then put time on and on or?

Alex Dudgon  34:58  
Yeah, I get the question of it's it's a Very difficult to answer because obviously everyone has different situations. Some people have greed, some people work longer hours than others. So I think if it's something you want to take seriously, put in as many hours as you want, as you can. Crypto is the fastest adopted technology of the last 100 years, it's growing 140% More users every year. So if it carries on the curve, it's on, I think there's 300 million users. Now, by the end of the decade, they estimate around four or 5 billion users. So you can imagine how much wealth will be created in that time. So for me look a long term time preference, don't try and jump on the hottest coin, you're going to try and make a lot of money in a month, that's a good way to lose your money very quickly. Look, 10 years ahead. Sins of the decade of Excel, if you want to take it seriously put as much time in as you can. Yeah, around your job. And then you know, you never know, eventually, you might get to a point where say, if you don't like your job, you do well, after a couple of years, you might even be able to quit your job and focus on it full time. Or focus on your passion. It's just basically what happened to me.

Agi Keramidas  36:20  
It Yes. And that seems just completely the what you do with your life and how you enjoy and appreciate appreciate your life by really doing what's fulfilling, rather than what is expected of you or what it is that it's the usual or the normal. There was, I want to also one quick comment about you said about how it's the crypto shaft increasing. I think you said 100 140% per year in terms of the people who use it. And there was something I read I think it was on your website about the 14 I will use it might not if I use my own words completely, it would be like riding a wave that there is a wave that is really rising. And maybe it is a vibration as well. And in a way I feel like we want to be there because it's going to take us or elevate us. So that's kind of more a feeling rather my rather than inability of me to express and articulate it properly. But it it makes sense. I read it somewhere on your website. And I wanted to iterate it in my own words, because I really liked this. The high vibrational movements of cryptocurrencies?

Alex Dudgon  37:48  
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I can't remember exactly the term I use. But I think I prefer the way you said it, they're riding the wave. And it is is really exciting. I mean, don't be wrong. Who knows what could happen? with it? There's a lot of risk. I don't ever lie about that. It's risky. But if like so if you look at the adoption, for me, I think there's only one way it's gonna go in the long term. But yeah, I see as been a very high vibration. I think, like I say, the old structures that we've got, everyone knows we're kind of outdated, the only benefit in a small amount of people, and we need something new. And this while there's a lot of problems, there's a lot of crappy coins and scams, that you have to be aware of real top projects that have great intentions behind them. I think we can't underestimate how much it could change the world for the better. I never say and we haven't crypto is fixed the money fix the world. And I do partly believe in that. Because because the money is at the top, you know, the event can control everything, just below it, you know, media, people's perception of the world Farmar health, all these other different areas. So we kind of need to redistribute that wealth into a more level playing field.

Agi Keramidas  39:26  
Indeed. And there are already you, you mentioned some things that we could discuss for the further hour about the song, some of them. I want to before I got some quickfire questions and wrap things up, Alex today i wanted also to ask you to tell us a bit about the people that you work with and what it is that you help them with in a few words.

Alex Dudgon  39:54  
Yeah, in the community. Yes, yes. Yeah. So I stopped At the Enlightened crypto community, the end of 2020. It's been going just over a year now. And because I became so fascinated by crypto kind of went all in with it and decided to go for it, I joined an academy, myself and another school. So then I wanted to kind of educate others, because I saw it as a great opportunity to create wealth. That was half of it. And the other half was educating people on why this is important humanitarian movement. So yeah, I've been doing a webinar every month, since then, we're going to teach everyone the basics, or they need to know in about an hour and a half, and do one on the 22nd of February. So I have to send you the link to that if anyone's interested. But yeah, the academy kind of goes much deeper, I think there's over the community, sorry, there's an academy with over 40 videos, I've got a media section where I do regular updates, because it's a very fast pace, moving space. You know, things can change very quickly. There's an area where you can learn all about the different projects individually, that I think are good projects. And then there's also a Zen Den. So on meditations on there, like I say, on that meditation teacher, and also there's personal development tools in there. Because for me, it all ties in. And that is the more important side, really, but it's going to help you manifest abundance.

Agi Keramidas  41:42  
And since you brought it up, then it brings me very nicely to my my quick five question and what does personal development mean to you?

Alex Dudgon  41:51  
Personal development. I think it means a lot of things. Like there's so many different areas. And for me, I try and balance out my time and energy focusing on many different aspects. So spiritual, growing, as a spiritual says been the most important because I see the material in my eyes has just been temporary. Whereas the spirit is our lesson forever. So I see that as the most important journey. And then financial, see that as a personal development journey? And then kind of Yeah, on a personal level, like Yeah, meditation and business, that sort of thing. blogging, podcasting, being able to provide quality information service for people basically. Well, I think it comes in loads of forms, you know, generally, it's just about being a better person for me about well rounded person. And like we said earlier, he can't give from an empty cup. So the more you can grow yourself, the more you can bring other people with you. See,

Agi Keramidas  43:13  
the two words that come to mind with your the way you are answering was growth and contribution. These vary the most important Can I let me ask you a hypothetical question as well. If you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give him?

Alex Dudgon  43:36  
I don't really have any regrets. I don't think I tell him anything. I think life's found out how it's meant to have a lot of mistakes. But I think they're just lessons really, really enjoyed. The podcast you did I forget his name was John Demartini is Dr. Dre. Yes, it's about gratitude. It was about being grateful for both sides, the good and the bad. And really, when I look back a lot, a lot more grew a lot more for the bad down. So I don't think I'd tell him anything, I think I'd say I just leave him to it. And he has to find his own way.

Agi Keramidas  44:14  
I always want to end this podcast by giving to the listener something actionable, some kinds of action they can take as a result of listening to this to you know, grow or improve or anything that they get inspired to do a show what's one action of lighting that the listener can take as a result of this conversation.

Alex Dudgon  44:40  
I think for me, the biggest thing is to follow the heart. So I've always kind of led to believe it's the brain that's the centre of intelligence but for me, it's it's the heart that's where the wisdom is the inspiration or the Good stuff. And of course, the love set. For me if I was gonna say anything to take away, it's for the heart, it might not always be the easiest path, I think it's always the most rewarding. And if you have a meditation practice, I'd tune in down here, rather than always a fear. You'll find some better answers.

Agi Keramidas  45:20  
Thank you. That's, that's wonderful. And I couldn't agree with you more. Alex. Share with us how can people connect with you and find out about? Find out more about you?

Alex Dudgon  45:36  
Yes, I'm on Instagram, I use that quite a bit in light. And with Alex on Instagram, our website www.in lighting with Alex dot code at UK. Like say feel free to jump on one of my webinars. It's only 11 pounds, 11 pence. And you'll learn all about crypto and I do a live q&a. So if you've got any questions I can answer. Face to face or over zoom. Now exactly face to face. But yeah, just feel free to get in touch. If you ever want to message me on Instagram, or email me in line with alex@outlook.com happy to talk to people. I love interacting with people. So if anyone's got any questions about crypto or anything else we've talked about today, and I'd love to hear

Agi Keramidas  46:27  
Thank you. And I'll put all the links in the show notes. Alexa, want to thank you very much. This has been a very intriguing conversation, there were some elements that I believe they were valuable and even self inquisitive ways to still remember what you said about the life force being paid on an hourly rate, which is very powerful, I believe. So thank you very much for your time for sharing your wisdom with us. And I wish you all the very best with your permission. Any last parting words?

Alex Dudgon  47:05  
Yes, we'd say thank you again for having me on. I really enjoyed it. I think you're a great house and you just got a really warm energy about you, sir. I've really really enjoyed answering your questions. And big love to all your audience hope you've enjoyed the podcast.

Agi Keramidas  47:24  
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