#131 My interview at "Make It Happen with Will Polston" podcast.

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

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Welcome to the personal development mastery podcast. I'm Agi Keramidas. And my mission is to inspire you to rise up, grow, stand out and take action towards the next level of your life. I interview leaders, influencers, entrepreneurs, authors, exceptional people who can and will inspire you to improve your life, Jr for two episodes each week, and make sure you subscribe to the podcast to get the episodes as soon as they are released.

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In this episode, I am sharing the conversation I had with with Paul stone on his superb podcast that make it happen. Willie has been one of my mentors and one of the most significant catalysts in my personal development journey over the last five, six years. And I have interviewed him for my podcasts twice in the past. But this time, it was an exceptional feeling to be interviewed by him in his podcast show we talked about some elements of my own story, my move from grace to the UK, and also about how understanding and working on my mindset helped me to find clarity and to overcome this sense of being unfulfilled, which I've had in different stages of my life.

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Something else that we really went into was my my own learnings from Well, during the years that I've known him, being coached by him or inspired by him attending his events, you know, learning from him. And one of my biggest insights that I said during the conversation was about having the traits of your own role models.

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It is a conversation that I've enjoyed immensely. And I actually enjoyed being on the other side of the questions, answering them for once rather than asking them so I hope you enjoy this conversation and you find it a value. Let me know if you do, I'd love to hear from you.

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So again, welcome to the show. Well, it's a real pleasure and a privilege to be here. I'm really looking forward to this. I've had some some wonderful guests. And a lot of these guests are people that I've had the pleasure of, sort of benefiting from their content for years, decades in some instances. But I'm particularly looking forward to our conversation because you're someone that I regard as a friend, a dear friend, that I've really got to know pretty well over the last five years or so. And it's really interesting sort of how we collided I know, people talk about sort of the moment, the moment that they met their first love.

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When when they when they very first saw them and and they just knew you know, people talk about these things I just knew she was the one I knew he was the one from the moment that I met them. And I vividly remember the moment that I very first saw you in Essex at an event with a company that I was involved with at the time, and I was speaking that particular day, and you come up and you had this warmth around you that anyone that knows you know what I'm talking about. And if you don't know, Aggie them, then definitely connect with him on socials and get to know him. But from from that point, I just knew that there was there was something

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about you, and I'm looking forward to sharing a bit about what that is. So yeah, thank you very much for coming on the show and looking forward to to having you involved. If I if I can add to that. I remember also that first

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time we met and you had like a 45 minute speech in a whole day event, which was about property investing. But I your mindset spades was for me the most, the most interesting part of the whole day, I was instantly inspired by learning immediately from you. Yeah, I remember that. Wonderful. So so let's just go into a little bit of context because

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you as we just heard of, of doing some wonderful things. And when we first met you, you were looking to get involved in property at the time. So about five years ago, you just just been involved in property. But you've actually had a very different career. I mean, your doctor, doctor Aggie Keramidas. But you you've you've worked in a highly respected profession, the people have spent years of their life studying to be in which is being a dentist, right? So bits of being a dentist, I suppose sort of helping people in a very different way. Getting them out.

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of pain

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in a slightly different way to maybe the way I do and the way that you do now.

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But so you were looking to get involved in property.

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You You're sort of looking to manoeuvre out of getting into of getting out of being in dentistry. And now obviously, you're, you're heavily involved in the personal development industry, you have phenomenal podcast, or personal development mastery, which anyone watching this on YouTube can see these wonderful t shirt

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that will be on there.

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And we'll put the link to the podcast of oops, go and listen to But what I'd love for you to just share because I know your story, you know, your story from coming from Greece, to the UK. And it's quite some, some some journey, you know, but I'd love to know, what was it that originally inspired you to be a dentist. So then when we talk about the next phase of your evolution of your career, and so the more personal development side of things, and not Britain as a knowledge broker website. Interesting. But yeah, that that story

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of that view that that career and then obviously coming to the UK. So no, it was quite quite a leap of faith that you took, wasn't it? Yes, it was. And to answer the last question, you made what inspired me to be a dentist, nothing. I was not inspired to be a dentist I was, in a way coerced into being a dentist, or persuaded by my parents Bailey, my mother, who was a dentist. So when I was like 1617, it was that time to take a decision what to do with my career. So now thinking back at it, it sounds very funny to

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ask from a teenager to decide in that sense, what are they meant to be doing with a life But anyway, that was at that time,

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I did not have really any strength to pursue or try to persuade them of what I really wanted to do, or what I thought. I mean, when I was 16, that I wanted to do that had nothing to do with dentistry, it was more like being an actor, or doing something that had to do with computers, because these were my real, especially computers were my passion. I was, you know, persuaded that I will use that word very carefully into going to university and studying dentistry. And because you're influenced, right, like so many people, they're influenced by authority figures, which are their parents, grandparents, even teachers, or even social conditioning. The people like he's having you saying, persuaded? Do you back then were you? Did you know that you didn't want to do it? But but so you put up some resistance and got persuaded? Or was it more that you just went with the flow because like you said, Your mother was a dentist, and it was kind of just the you thought you were stepping into her shoes and following her footsteps. I didn't put much resistance.

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So I was persuaded I followed, you know, I just accepted you said the authority figure. I just accepted that, you know, my parents know best.

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And I just went along with it. It's not like our government really kicking and screaming doing that. Because I had, in a sense, I grew up inside the dental practice as a kid. So it was nothing unfamiliar. For me. It just was something that and if I can fast forward that after a period of working there, in Greece, I worked for about eight or nine years. In my own practice. I felt like I was very comfortable. by many people's standards. I was living a life that is, you know, what people would like to be living.

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I was engaged, you know, everything was normal or good or for how people would see us Assad's but I felt a deep void this content inside of me, which I didn't know what it was. And

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it's difficult, you know, when you really have no idea because I was not into personal development. And that time, I thought there was something wrong, that you know, you have all these things and you don't feel grateful, so there must be something wrong with you.

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It took me a long time to realise what Tony Robbins calls the hunger to never be satisfied no matter how high you are. So at some point, I took the decision to move to the UK following a dream that I had since I was a teenager practically at that time, anything.

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English I would say would really resonate within me the music of the 80s or even, you know, looking at the cars driving on

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The other side of the road for me was fascinating and exotic. And I never could understand why it was. It wasn't our weather that was exotic

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driving on the other side of the road, but our weather definitely, if not exotic.

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It was it was different, you know.

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But to put that into into context, I realised that there was something calling me there. And at some point in 2010, I took the bold decision, and I left everything I knew behind. Like my, my, my family, friends fan said, job, everything. And I moved to the UK, following my, my dream, my intuition, which I didn't know exactly what it was this, this. So here's, here's what I think is fascinating about your story. By most people's standards, you were successful, you were in a respected profession, that you'd been to university and studied and done all of that stuff, you're engaged, you had your family in Greece.

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But you, you made a decision to leave all of that behind, to follow a dream,

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in your sort of your intuition to go and do some bots. And this is I think, the key part here, you didn't really know even what you were going to do it. It wasn't like, right, I've got absolute clarity, this is what I'm gonna do. When I'm get to England, it was like, I'm gonna get there and I'll figure it out. Almost, you know, and, and that that leap of faith, I think, the courage that that takes Is that something that most people listen to this, at some point, if they've got something that they really want to do they know intuitively is probably the right thing to do. But it's that unknown, that's preventing them the fear of the unknown, that's preventing them from doing that. So what I would love to know is what was going through your mind? What was your thinking, that enabled you to go and take that action that most people wouldn't? And that I suppose I'm gonna double down on this cuz I think this is there's a huge learning opportunity here for people.

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What was it you're consciously thinking?

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And now being much more aware than you ever were back then?

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What is it that maybe you were thinking subconsciously, that you can reflect back on and connect the dots with? If you see what I mean, to two questions?

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I will, I will try to, to answer the best I can. It says it's a great question with

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there were two things back then that were driving me which you know, very well, the first one was idukki, the like, the situation I was, in grey, Safford empty, there was and that was affecting, because I didn't know any better I was, you know, drinking, I was trying to drown it. I didn't know what it was. So I wanted to get out of that to get out of that pain of this situation. But I think at that time, it was much, much more the going towards this instinct, this. You know, I remember even vividly now, I would, at times I would you know, live my life, do whatever I was doing, and I would have they dreamings I will call it like that, of me being in the UK, and living there, like, and I would always, you know, lose myself in these thoughts, and ended up with a big smile on my face. So I knew that there was a big calling. And I took in in many ways, it was really tough to answer your question about what I was thinking that the one thing was faith that this is for me, I don't know what it is. But I really believe I feel it in my heart and in my in my gut, that it is the right thing to do.

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My fears were, to a large extent alleviated by first that I had support for my family. My parents told me, you go into it behind you if that's what you want to do.

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And the second, you know, I knew that whatever happens if I could always go back or, I mean,

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even though I didn't dwell on that at all, but the thought occurred in me that you know, I have to do that. I think

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that that last one you mentioned, I know certainly with clients that I've worked with, it's a real eye opening moment for them. Sometimes we talk about certain things they want to do. And they go well what if this and what if that and what if that? What doesn't? What's the worst case scenario? The worst case scenario is that I have to get a job and do and do certain things and Oh, right. So that's what you have at the moment. So your what your actual

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Worst case scenario is your current scenario, if that's your worst case scenario, what have you got to lose? And that's when they have the penny drop moment of going on, I might as well pursue it then.

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So that's, that's wonderful. So obviously, you come to the UK and then you've you've obviously been here since and thrive them and done some some great things, but then not not so long ago, you I'm writing saying sort of had a similar feeling of unfulfillment of being in in the industry, right? So you've come to the UK, you've done your thing. And then you started looking at other options, which is why you started looking into property and pursuing property.

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And, and doing those sorts of things. And that sort of same unfulfillment, I suppose we'd pass that as it was, and it was more intense this time around, because I had just finished a master's degree in restorative dentistry. 2015. And when I did that, I thought that afterwards, I'm really going to implement everything I learned, and I'm going to be this superduper, high end dentist, you know, all these things. And I realised that I couldn't do any of that, because there was really not spark no passion

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to really go there. So. And that coincided also with me being in my early 40s. So that is something that, you know, for most people, there is a shift in, in the way that the things they see things. You know, for me, it was maybe that subconscious realisation that, okay, so maybe this is the second half of my life, certainly, it's not the beginning anymore. So

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that led me really to, to pursue other things. And you mentioned property, that was never a passion. But it was one of the things that I was trying to do in in order to figure out what it is that I want to do, because I had no idea, I knew that I wanted to do more. But I was not sure sure I tried different things. But through property, I found personal development, which was the greatest gift for me. So let's just talk about that. If we can then say, personal development, this, this whole podcast is built around personal development.

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So now, you've got a mission that you're on, do you just sort of elaborate for people listening, what that mission is, the mission is to inspire and influence people to

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stand out and take some action towards the next level of the life. So you know, with a podcast, there is conversations, and there is a lot of information. But unless something is done with information, it's just more information when there's no lack of information in the world. So I always say, Man, that is the mission for my podcast to give to the listeners, some actionable items, certain thing that if they choose to, and if they read, it resonates with them to pick something up and do it. And actually, I remember you, teaching me that we face those little cards at your events of when you have you give someone an action, or you ask someone to pick an action and follow through. So I want him to advance him there. But the mission is to inspire and influence people to improve the lives really. And that's where you and I are very much aligned. And I know that people listen to this, they do want to improve their lives in some way or another. They want the actionable steps that they can take away. And you're exactly right. Knowledge isn't power, applied knowledge is power. And if people want to take those bite sized chunks and put them into place, and compound that over a period of time, some great stuff can happen. As we were speaking on the show,

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sort of before we start before we started recording, you mentioned that there you'd sort of put together a list of a few of the lessons and actions that you've taken from from us working together because we also I think it's about five years I know we've we've worked together one on one, you've come to many of our events of the evolved network and lots of different events. You've done my signature workshop unlock your potential more times than anybody else.

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Whereas you've done it many multiple times as a as a participant but also as a crew member. Now you come on crew with us. How many times in total Have you done it seven times, seven times seven times have you comment down my signature workshop and you've done it when it was a one day event? Now it's a 220 20 hours across two days covering 11 different modules. I would love to know he said about

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Sort of actionable steps and you mentioned you'd you'd put together unless you thought you're gonna try and pull together sort of 10 things, you mostly get sort of 14 key lessons. But for people that are maybe listening to they, they don't have to come to unlock your potential seven times, which they're welcome to. And I'd love them to enforce what what have been some of the key lessons that you've taken from, from us working together that people could maybe take from this?

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Yes. And this is also very interesting, because you were, and I will say that it was the you were the first quotes I've ever had, I've never had never worked with a coach before you. And that was in 2017. If I'm not mistaken. So

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the first lesson that I'm laughing, because you will personally resonate with it very much is that when you post a quote on a day on social media, it can take you a very long way. Yeah, provided that you, you keep it so it's almost four years that they have been posted in one court every day, so only thrown doesn't do much. But it's it's incredible how much.

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And I think that I would take that as a more general lesson, no matter how small it action is, when you are consistent with it, it compounds it becomes and it gets so much momentum that right now even if I wanted to stop doing that account, I mean, it's part of what I do in the morning. It's It's not possible not to and I actually physically posted, it's not something that is programmed, I choose one in the morning and posted.

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Love that. Love that. Yeah, we've we both definitely written I think you're right, the the underlying lesson there is the power of compounding no matter how small it is what it can lead to wonderful.

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And the other I'm looking now, because I have I have the list, there are so many I will share.

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Next time I wanted to share with the North Star, which is again, something I learned from you the concept of having an ultimate goal rather than, you know, a one year goal or whatever it is that many people have.

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And not just having it, I mean, doing it in a methodical way, which I have done now and having it in a document, which is quite a few pages long and in different categories. So what is my ultimate goal, about my health, about my attitude about my career, my finances, my personal growth, and so on. So

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it's awesome. And it is incredible to have that on paper, or on the computers?

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Because I think it It serves us a beacon of light or a compelling future, shall we say that you may or may not achieve, but you know, it's there. And if you align your actions to towards that direction, it doesn't matter if you reach there or not. You are growing. And that's probably and I am going to digress a little bit if I had to choose one big, big lesson from my own personal development journey the last five years

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is exactly that. That is a journey, we really need to understand that there is no destination, there is no end point there is.

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And I'm not talking spiritual. Just everything it is this moment. Are we growing? Are we enjoying the journey? It's the marvellous journey. So it took me a long time to realise that and I still haven't, you know, one 100%

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believed it to my core, I mean, but that is the appreciation and enjoyment of the journey of life. Love it. So what I'd love to know if you mentioned you'd written out 14 so rather than go through all 14 in detail, if you could sort of riff

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maybe whittle through the the rest of maybe another nine or so and then share one of the other ones that we can go into a little bit more detail in because I'm I'm really curious as well as to what what some of these are okay, then I will read you the rest of the list and you pick which one intrigues you you can talk about that. So, I own the traits of my role models.

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You only need 10 seconds to radically change your state

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the power of affirmations and personal declaration

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a big distinction on praising the effort rather than the result. So saying great effort rather than well done.

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The tremendous power of accountability

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reframing good and bad into does it serve me or does it not serve me.

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And two more I have here. One was the concept of a key guy, which was

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a big realisation. And

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the values that we hold highest come from are perceived for is that I've mainly a will and the last one that I will share on the list is

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reframing a physical sensation that many of us would interpret us I want to get out of here into excitement and saying I'm excited.

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The same, it's the same physical sensation, but rather than feeling scared,

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translating it as excitement because it will lead to very different action. Yeah, right, rather than being nervous. So you're excited. Yes, you can have a huge impact. There's, there's obviously I'm biassed, there's lots of great, great little lessons in there. But I think a couple that we can expand upon. Yes. For people that are listening. I mean, I've written down three here, if we can.

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One of them is great effort. So you rather than me explain it, you it was it was a profound lesson for us to sharing what that that shift in perspective was for you and why it was important. We say that all the time, don't we well done of someone does something that will say Well done, and we don't realise that what we're doing is praising the result, which is great if you have have the result. But sometimes it's the effort that matters, because if I put on my effort, I might or might not achieve the result. But if I have to wait for

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being praised for the result, then I might not even start trying. Whereas if I'm praised for my effort, even if I don't achieve the result, then I will put even more effort next time to to do so. So and I use that always said I don't like any more to use the phrase well done on something because yes, it is well done. But it took effort to become well done. So I prefer to praise the effort that led to to that. Yeah, nice, quiet little lesson.

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This one, I think it's really interesting. Because if

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it's something that the majority of people have never really got their head around, which is owning the traits of the people you admire. But it can also add to that as well. The opposite of that, which is owning the traits of the people that you don't like, or, or have some feeling of remorse towards or whatever it might be. But yeah, if you can expand your why that was an important lesson for you.

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It was the first time that I took people out of more of a pedestal, because I had heard of the concept, you know, don't pedestal, nice people and don't look up to them and

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model them instead. Or look into them, as you say, but it was the first time that I actually understood that at the emotional level, I remember going through that exercise. See, I'm not your potential. So basically for people who I will explain the exercise if I may show you write down

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three to five people, I think it was five that you perceive to be your role models could be people you know, that you may not know it doesn't really matter people that inspire you, and or have. And then you write for each of these people, five traits, five characteristics in particular that you admire about all you mode.

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So it was at that time. And the first one on my list, there was Tony Robbins and I don't you know, inspire inspirational and vast knowledge and

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charismatic, you know, things like that. And then I did that for my five

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people and the five traits for it.

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And then it was something that you said as a result of the exercise that you know why you recognise these traits in people because you have them yourself otherwise you wouldn't be able to recognise them. And that brought me to tears. I remember that and it was towards the end of the second day at that time. And I also wish i thought i would i hadn't cried during the event. But I did that time it because I realised that all these things that I admire in people, I only admire them because I have them to

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in a different

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level or maybe I'm not going to use quantities here. But you have that trait as well. Yeah, nothing is missing. There's the I guess, the alluding to sort of crying. So it's a bit of an ongoing thing. At my event. Pretty much everybody at some point, some people it's within the first couple of minutes. Some people it's not right until literally in the final minutes of the 24 hour will end up having a tear or two and they're not tears of sadness, I'd like I used to dread it, why would I sign up to this event is terrible. Is it that they're tears of gratitude, tears of inspiration. And it's, it's a powerful life changing event. I mean, I know I'm biassed I've created the content to develop towards it. But you're exactly right in that moment realising that, that you have those traits. And the reason that that person that we put on a pedestal is on the pedestal is because we're being too humble in ourselves to acknowledge what we see in them is in us. And it's it's a lot that the exercise, Aggies mentioned is a really powerful one. It's a quick, there's a Chris Sacca boosey quote, which is,

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don't look up to people look into them. But But equally, the opposite of that, which is sort of my the variation of the quote is don't look up to people look into yourself, you know, and see, see what you are seeing yourself what you see in them, because the fact that you can see it and the fact you can enlarge it, it's there somewhere, it might be in a different form granted, but it's there, you know, it is there and it in and people will be seeing you in those in those ways. When you can enrich something, it's a very, very powerful, but equally and this is again, another another way of humbling ourselves is that we can put ourselves on the pedestal sometimes, you know, when when we put other people, when we put other people down and make them out to be, quote, unquote, bad people,

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then we also the fact that we can acknowledge what we see in them is in us in some way.

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So we need to get creative sometimes and look for the trade action or inaction in a particular area of life to acknowledge where we've done to a greater or lesser extent, what what we see in them. And it's it's a really humbling exercise that creates a level playing field. And the last one, which I suppose is is kind of relevant, is

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you said about seeing the good and the bad.

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into reframing it into does it serve me or not? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. How? Well this isn't a bad thing, or this isn't a good thing. But but yet seeing how it serves? Yes. And that's, I think it's something that we are, it's very deep, programmed into us that this is good, this is bad. I like this, I don't like it is very much inside us.

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reframing into something, whether it serves me or not puts a very different perspective to things because something that might you might deem was bad. If it serves you, if you decide that it serves you, then maybe that definition of bad does not apply, and vice versa as well. I think it's much more representative of what an action or behaviour is, rather than the term good or bad, which is completely misleading and very, very subjective. I think it's more objective, if something serves me. Yeah. It's, it's, it's different. It's very different. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you very much for sharing those lessons. I mean, it's always interesting to hear what it is that people have taken. And I know there's things that you've mentioned before that have been that have been great for you, but I've never heard you list them off like that. I didn't realise you'd put together that list before we we got on the call today. So thank you very much for that. I'm glad that we people listen to this again. Oh, yeah, that's, that's really good.

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So thank you for sharing that.

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What what I'd love to just touch on sort of, again, expanding upon the knowledge, I think one of the positions that I'm blessed in that your blessing is that when you spend your time around incredible people and you get immersed in learning from them, this some life changing, complete, paradigm shifting insights that you get you at the time of doing this podcast, I think you're you've done about 128 episodes of the personal development mastery podcast.

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And you've had some again, incredible guests

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rather than say, in fact that I'd say I'm gonna ask a few questions around your guest. So it let's do a little bit of name dropping, who are some of the guests that you've had in terms of who they are or their roles in

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In what they do

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if rather than name dropping right now I feel more

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inspired to share different categories of people. Yeah, yeah.

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Because it's difficult to just drop some names, it doesn't care. But initially, when I started, it was mainly people from the coaching space, because I was very much, you know, involved into personal development is it's very easy to be drawn into coaching NLP and all these

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characteristics. And I'm still very much enjoy speaking with coaches, but they're also

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entrepreneurs, business people who scaled their world.

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I have spoken with quite a few. And that's

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something that is becoming a very interesting niche lately. For me some people that are very involved in spirituality or spiritual teachers in one or the other way you're, and I'm getting

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slightly different, you know, directions and learnings. And I don't know if that answers your question or have gone into a different direct knowledge. This is also that wonderfully Yeah. I mean, you've got spirituality business people that you say coaches in the personal element space, you've you've you've had people involved with various different elements of personal Roman, like meditation experts, and I'm right in saying that you had a Sharman on

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one more than one. Yes, yes. So you've had multiple different people. So obviously, 128 episodes, what have been some standout?

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episodes in terms of when you've had these? And you've just gone? Wow, wow, I was not expecting that insight, or that bit of information, what have been some standout ones for you, that have been been great lessons for you.

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It's a great question and a difficult world for me.

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Some standouts always are people who I have personally been inspired by. And in a way I have this desire to speak with every single person that I have learned from in my life, I would like to speak with them in my podcast,

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I will try I have so people that

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have coached me or I have learned many or have mentored me in a capacity or inspired me buy their book, there's always people that I enjoy much more

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learning from because there is a deeper, a personal if you want, relationship with them.

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In terms of very big

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lessons, and now, it's really one that sticks out. It's a very recent one I spoke with.

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His name is David Strickland, he has,

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I'm sure will you're familiar with Abraham Hicks, Abraham Hicks who would channelled the stream or however you want to call it. So I spoke with

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David, who could do exactly that. And I had actually had the opportunity to speak with him on my podcast and ask asking, could you demonstrate how you channel for me? And like, Can I ask questions? He said, for sure. So I had a question, I had the opportunity to ask a question. And the question that came to mind and it was really I was not, I had not pre planned it. But I was asking, how could I share my message and what I do with the podcast to a broader audience?

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And the answer will show mind blowing and so profound, it spoke to mean on many different levels. And

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it's, I don't want to try to explain it in much detail because if I use my words, much of the the original meaning would be lost. But what they said was that

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the idea of lots of people, or an amount of people they and they have quantity is completely irrelevant. On the you know, the grander scheme of things.

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And the overall message was to celebrate the one because it doesn't matter how many people listen to the show. What matters is the people that have been deeply touched by it and the life has transferred.

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As a result of it, and that made sense to me in a very deep level, because you know, sometimes we chase after the the numbers and say, oh, I've done X amount of downloads or subscribers. And

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I think in the end, that's irrelevant, because you could have a large following Kevin and a million people following you and variant, not many been really touched by what you say just yet follow you. On the other hand, you could have very few people that follow you that you have really made a big impact in the lives show. It's very interesting to consider those two sides. And

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for me, it was a big

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insight, realisations that, you know, it's a slice from a pride if you want point of view or any ego point of view, it's nice to have a million listeners, it's great. But that's really not the point at all. mentor.

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I love that. Yeah, it's focusing in I'm going to oversimplify this book quantity not sorry, quality, not quantity, you know, that depth of transformation for people from rather than just saying you've had loads of people listen to it is, yeah, I completely get it. I completely get it.

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What what's next for you now? You know, so you're, you're getting to the you've got 120 episodes in the the personal mastery podcast, you know, that you You're, you're fulfilled from doing more personal development? And I know you've been transitioning

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in terms of building that up and developing it, but what what's the what what do you see next for you that for the podcast for that next evolution of your, your journey?

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That's again, a great question with the podcast.

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Yes, I'm one 128. I'm going to reach 1000. That is, I'm going to see for this is my podcast. So I'll carry on it is as having this conversation shown my podcast is

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really what I feel the most inspired by there are, you know, lots of elements of personal development, all the things that I do, but the podcast and having this

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experience, you know, of speaking with people who I allow them, first of all, I give them the space to

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express themselves and share their message, and many

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commend me on that feeling that they can open up rarely, in my broadcast and say, share things that don't necessarily share easily show. That is great for me, for the guest, it's great for me, because I learned firsthand, and, you know, it's like, having a different coach every week. So it's, it's brilliant.

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And also for the listener, which goes back to what you asked me earlier about the mission to thoughts, you know, not a million people necessarily, but the people that will resonate with the message of the broadcast and there are different messages. I mean, there are so so much variety, it all falls under the umbrella of personal development, but so much

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versatility. So the people who resonate with the message, I hope that they can get impacted by it and do something with it, you know, and take some action and take their life to the next level, whatever that might be for them. It's the worst thing is being stuck and not doing anything about it.

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Coming back to your question that is so so, the podcast

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I consider that to be an ever increasing bankoff both no limits, and also actionable items which I was telling. So my intention is to collate and process all this

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information and

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put it into more specific topics or more

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deeper learning something that I can give to people who are interested to grow and learn. Rather than say, well listen to 200 podcast episodes, the answer is out there. Be able to be very specific and say this are the the experts that I suppose however you want to call those very knowledgeable people that I spoke with on this

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topic, and surely one of them has the the key for your show. This is the, you know, the the buckets, the information, it's there. So that is my my next step to and ties in nicely with the knowledge broker which you were saying Natalie at us

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a description of an identity, I really feel that this is something that I'm meant to be doing. And I say that

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now I can say that easily because it feels like that, you know, it's there is no resistance when I do that it just flows through me. So I think I want him to a different direction. And your original question, I think is absolutely on point. It's great to hear. You've mentioned throughout the the episode today about the importance of actionable steps, yes. Now, I'm not gonna put you on the spot and say, right, give people three actionable steps taking personal development is so broad. But what I would love to do, unless you want to, I mean, you're welcome to. But what what I would love to do is one of the things that you have done successfully now on multiple occasions, is got to a point in your life where you started to feel fulfilled.

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And you've obviously navigated your own journey off sale on multiple occasions, to feel fulfilled or get on the journey of feeling fulfilled. So what would be your actionable steps for anyone that right now is feeling like they're in a bit of a rut, they're in a bit of a funk, they're plateauing. And they just they, they just aren't feeling fulfilled? What would be maybe three,

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three actions that people could take to make the changes and learn from your own personal learnings?

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Yes, and it is, it isn't the question, which is a bit, you know, dangerous because it's difficult to find some elements that apply to everyone.

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But if you're stuck in a rut and you want to, the first thing I would say is to become inspired that allow allow yourself to be pulled towards something that

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you want to change so that if that means listening to podcasts or reading a book or attending an event, something that you do something with your personal development actively do something I mean, invest some of your time, whatever it is that you feel called towards. So I mean, if you're listening to this podcast, I'm sure that you have a very good idea of something that you could do to

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evolve to grow, you read Listen, go for a run I it depends and but from there, that is the for me the first step the second step is to build on that we use the power of momentum show Okay, you went for around today go again tomorrow, or did you read a book today? Carry on reading it tomorrow, it's not one of show. It's it's a process, it's a journey.

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But start doing a small step commit some of your time and do that thing that you've been putting off in terms of your personal growth and do it and then tomorrow do it again. And then after a couple of days, it's going to already have created some momentum I

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love that.

48:52  
You saying that as just actually sparked me with one final question to ask actually and i've i've beat myself up who I don't ask you

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I know for a long time you personally because you said you want to be inspired right and operating from a place of inspiration which I get but for quite a long time you you become quiet

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I'm gonna use the word caught up right almost so it felt like it was a it was an obstacle around knowing your why and your purpose. You know, I don't mind my I need to find my why I think was the conversation that we'd had on a few different occasions

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and then I believe that you've kind of had a different approach to that now and you have a slightly different view on on the importance of finding a why or how you go about doing that and so for again the people right now go Yeah, well, that's all well and good, but I don't know my why or I need to know my why. What What advice would you have for them? Yes, I think first of all is forget the word find. Find your words.

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Because find implies that it's somewhere that you're going to find it unlike much more than discover or create or uncover or,

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you know, compose your why because your why is not standing somewhere waiting to be found. It is something that is created by your everyday actions. And maybe that sounds quite general what I'm saying. But that came to me as my own realisation because I remember I was discussing with you about that a few years back that I want to find my way I had even prepared the speech, I will give a talk on an event about how to find your why and trying to use that speech to find my own way. So I was constructing the speech. But you know, when you

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if you want to discover or uncovered that you have to try things out that I don't think there is any other way to discover it again, I was about to say fine, but

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but trying things out, I love that phrase, joyous, joyous exploration. So you are, we all are attracted or inspired to do some things. Maybe we don't for different reasons. But explore them, just take some time into them and see what happens. You might like it, you might not. If you like it, do more of it. And if you keep on doing more of it, you won't have to answer the question about finding your purpose because it has somehow found you.

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So doing what you are called to do and doing really, really looking inside you have some idea of and I think all of us really, if I asked you to tell me three things that you love doing easily people can say that but do them do a bit more of them, explore them and see what happens. And then usually your your why is in these things. Well, isn't it what do you think there is? Absolutely no i agree i agree wholeheartedly with create your why you don't find your why you create it.

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For sure.

52:21  
Again, it's been wonderful having this conversation with you really great to catch up and great to share our, our conversation, this is the sort of conversation you and I have if we were sat down having a coffee with each other, which is why this kind of stuff. So it's really been great to have a few people that earwig in our conversation today. And thank you for sharing your insights on on unlock your potential what I'm going to do actually, I just thought for anyone that was listening, you know, this, this, this sounded quite interesting in terms of

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unlock your potential and what you'd learn from it, what I'm doing and put a link to unlock your potential in the comments. And anyone that if you decide that you want to come typing Aggie capital letters, Agi in the as a promo code, and then you'll get a very, very special discount to be able to come along. If you decide that you want to. If you listen to this on release, we've got an event that's happening in June the end of June 2021. If not, we run them every three months or so anyway. And it's an event we run virtually so you can attend it from anywhere in the world. It's a really great event, as Aggie wouldn't endorse. I haven't been seven times right. percent and June will be the eighth. Yeah, looking forward to that. So yeah, if you want if you want to attend it, don't check it out. We'll put the link in the show notes, use the promo code Aggie Agi in capital letters to be able to get access to a discount on that. For people that have just been loving the conversation, which I'm sure many listening have today. Okay. And I think right, I really want to find out more about the podcast, where can they find you? Where can they find the podcast? And yeah, please let me know. Sure. Thank you. Well, the podcast is called personal development mastery. You can find it anywhere on all major platforms, or you can go to personal development, mastery. podcast.com

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Find me on social media. I'm mainly active on Facebook, but I'm also LinkedIn, Instagram, it's all the same. I get amateurs and also have a

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website. I can be this.com which you can find me there as well. Wonderful. Well, we'll get we'll put your website in the show notes for people that want to go and check that out. I thank you so much for coming on today. It's been great to catch up and have the conversation.

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And for everybody that's been listening, I hope you found it beneficial. And until next time make you happen.

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I hope you enjoyed this conversation and you found

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Some actionable items for you to take. If you want to find out more about waste event unlock your potential then the link is in the show notes. And you can type my name, rG Agi capital letters for a discount. I'm looking forward to seeing you there. I'm always there as a crew to the event and I help both we and what he has done for me and also help the participants and accommodate their needs. It's a it's a wonderful sense both of growth and contribution.

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Until next time, stand out don't fit in

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