#220 Understanding your body's intuition and how to manifest using meditation, with Cassandra Bodzak.

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Cassandra Bodzak  0:00  
If you want to have the conversation about manifesting, it has to begin with meditation. Because meditation is how you plug in, is how you remember that. And it's how you return to that truth of who you are. And when we return to that truth, then all of a sudden, you know, I believe that our desires are divinely designed. And so we have these soul desires that we come in with that oftentimes, like we were talking about, we get so distracted with what we should do and life and busyness and all the stuff, we forget about them. And meditation then once again, brings us into that place of stillness, stillness, and silence and mindfulness and intentionality in our life, that we can actually start seeing some of these desires emerging.

Agi Keramidas  1:00  
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Today's show I am delighted to speak with Cassandra Bodzak. Cassandra, you are a thought leader, best selling author of two books. It with intention was the first and your latest is manifesting through meditation. You're a holistic lifestyle expert, meditation guide, spiritual mentor, and host of the podcast divine downloads. You're passionate about helping people all over the world learn the process from for bringing their souls desires into their everyday reality. Cassandra, welcome to the show. I'm really excited to speak with you today.

Cassandra Bodzak  2:31  
Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to talk with you as well.

Agi Keramidas  2:35  
Cassandra, I would really like to start, there are some very interesting things that I certainly want to, you know, go into as much detail as time allows today with you. Before we go there, I gave a brief introduction of the person you are today. But I would like for you briefly to take us back for a moment to previously before maybe your spiritual journey started. So if you could just share what what were you doing and what led you to that quest, so we can maybe understand that transition point.

Cassandra Bodzak  3:15  
Yeah, I feel like I was a pretty normal kid, had some struggles at home that, I think, you know, led me to be pretty introverted and have certain issues with food and my body and just struggled a lot, I think emotionally internally when I was like a teenager and going into college. And then when I was in college actually went to school for acting, I acted. I was an actress from like, middle school didn't like all the plays live close to New York City. So I did a bunch of like independent films and stuff, went to college for acting. And it was in college that I ended up actually getting really physically ill. And I didn't know what was going on. I was just getting these weird pains. Everything else seemed like I was healthy. And I did all these blood tests, nobody could figure out what was going on with me. And that was kind of like where the first crack into my spiritual journey happened because you reach this place of surrender, when you're like, there are no answers. I don't know what's going on. And that's when I started at that point, just talking to God, talking to my body's intuition. And it was really just from a place of like, desperation and surrender as I think so many people sometimes get to on that journey. And that was when it first started and it was through having those conversations where I was just in a lot of pain, you know, trying to make some sense of it. I was led to looking up certain books in the library and researching food allergies and it was kind of Like the ice dt, these ideas just kind of like popped into my head, right. And I just experimented with it. And as soon as I gave up all this food that was commonly caused different allergies and stuff, I felt 100% better. And so that kind of this openness whole, floodgate, to wow, like, there's something else at play here than meets the eye. And then it wasn't until that's when I started a blog, I started a blog kind of talking about my journey with my body and connecting to my intuition and my different food allergies. And then it wasn't until I was 25, I was now in New York City acting professionally, doing my thing still had the blog, because I loved it. It was like a passion project. And my little brother got diagnosed with this autoimmune condition. And it was a really rare autoimmune condition, mostly found in older men. And he was 2022 at the time, because he's three years younger than me. And it was just like, one of those like curveballs in life. And that's what I think that was the moment that really like, everything changed for me. I went so deep into surrender, in the sadness of that, and, and that's when I heard I heard meditate, you know, that like, I call it the like, bathroom floor moment, right? When you're just like crying and surrendered and what do I do God. And I heard meditate and that, that changed my life, because then I just, I don't even now looking back. It's like, I don't even know how it all clicked together. But it was like I was on this mission. After that day, where I was meditating multiple times a day, I would look at meditations on YouTube. I went to like a Buddhist monastery in Brooklyn, I tried Kundalini, I got trained in Vedic like, I just like went all out. And before that moment, I mean, I had done some yoga done, like, you know, some other things, but I was far from that. And that's really when everything started clicking. That's really when the spiritual journey began for me. And the more I meditated, and the more like, naturally, you know, they always say, like, the books off the shelves, right? But it's so true. It's like, all of a sudden, then you're it was reading of course, in miracles, I was reading Wayne Dyer and Louise Hay, and, you know, Deepak Chopra, and all these kind of books kind of kept on coming out at me, I'd watch lectures on YouTube, the like, spiritual teachers. Yeah, that's kind of when everything cracked open.

Agi Keramidas  7:49  
Thank you. That's, it's fascinating story. And there were quite a few things that will come into my mind, wherever you will speak in the what you said about surrendering. Or the bathroom floor or the kitchen floor moment. I've heard stories like this before, and they're very powerful when you have this maybe the lowest moment when you don't know what to do anymore. What I found very interesting, and you mentioned the phrase a couple of times my body intuition, I think you call dissolve. And I would like to discuss this a little bit more in detail. I think it is something extremely important. And I also think that many people, I don't know what your experiences they are not, let's say attune to it, let's I'm not sure if they are aware of it as well, there was a point when you were describing you used both both intuition and God in the same phrase one after the other, which, for me, it sounded like it's not different. That's how I interpreted it in the in the way that you were saying it. So let's talk about this body intuition about listening to the body and your, from your experience from from what you learn from there. If there are some specific lessons or something you can tell someone who wants to, you know, go deeper into understanding and listen into this body wisdom or intuition or God.

Cassandra Bodzak  9:39  
Yeah. So I think you know, for me, I believe that they are the same thing, right? That it's kind of like God just using my body as a tool to communicate right? However, you know, for the listeners out there. I don't think you know, you can believe whatever you want about it. First of all, I'm a big just put this out there, like, when I say God or divine, like replace whatever word you use, right? If it's source, if it's love, it's the universe, if it's what Buddha, whatever word it is, it doesn't matter. It's the same experience, in my opinion, right? And so when you're connecting to your body's intuition, if you want to just think about it as your body's intuition, that's fine. If you want to think about it as like the divine speaking through your body, that's great, too. It works either way. And so the way I saw it is that our physical being is a mechanism that receives signals, right? And if you think about it, just a really simple way for any of the listeners out there who are like, what, if you, if you've ever looked at, you know, let's say you've ever looked at like a really like, decadent, like ice cream sundae or something like, you know, crazy like that, and you already almost get a stomachache, like pick your body's like, starts to get a stomachache, just a thought of eating all of that, right? You know, that's like a little version of it, right? Where it's almost like your intuition is like, too much, too much, right? It's, it's another version of it would be if you've ever, you know, if you've gone on dates, right, where you go on a date with someone, and there are certain people you'll go on a date with, and you won't feel the urge to hug them, or want to, like hold their hand or anything, you just won't feel that urge to be close to them, you might still think they're a nice person, but you're just you know, and then there are other people that you almost like, you're like, wow, I just met this person. I'm already like, you know, arm and arm with them. And I wanna like, hug them and our body speaks to us. I mean, that that's true for friends, too, right? It's not just romantic. There are certain like friendships you meet, and instantly your boss like you, you, you know, cosy up next to them. And you there's that that feeling? So our body is always communicating to us in different ways, right? It's telling us things all the time. And even when you think about, I like to use body intuition with some of my clients, as a way for them to help make intuitive decisions, right? Because one of the big parts of the spiritual journey is making more divinely guided or intuitive decisions. And so whether that decision is do I want to have oatmeal for breakfast? Or do I want to have, you know, a doughnut or whatever? Right? You know, or it's something bigger, like, do I quit my job? Do I start this new venture? Do I leave my marriage? Do I get into a relationship with this person? Do I whatever it is, right? We can tune in to our, you know, physical being for information around that. So if everybody wants to just close their eyes right now, while you're, if you're not driving, don't do this, if you're driving, if you're driving, just do it with your eyes open. But, but if you close your eyes, you just notice where your body is get your body to a neutral place, take a couple breaths, and then think about maybe two different options of things that you could do later today, right? And think about Option A and Option B, just choose whatever Option A and Option B are, though, and you've chosen them, bring up option A and see yourself doing option A. So maybe it's like taking a walk in the park or it's finishing your taxes, whatever it is, think about option A. And just notice how your body feels while thinking about option A? Does it feel open? Does it feel relaxed? Is there any more? Is there tension that is there, right? Is it feel closed off? And then when you've got that information, switch over, think about option B? What's that other thing that maybe you is on the agenda, the to do list? And now feel that in your body? How does it feel to do that? Right? Option B is not the one for you. I could I could just tell from your face watching you right.

And that's just body information. Right when, when our body when our intuition is guiding us to do something our body relaxes, our chest literally expands our shoulders go back or smell like you had a glow. I love watching people's faces when I guide them through this because like you had this really soft pleasant smile. I could feel how peaceful you are with Option A. As soon as even started talking about option B the smile went away. Right and so it This is a great thing to do even if like you do it with a friend or you record yourself on your phone camera and just notice like, How does my Facebook when I talk about this, how does my face look when I talk about this, our body, or but I always say that our mind can lie to us, but our body is the ultimate truth teller.

Agi Keramidas  15:22  
Thank you for this amazing decision making process because I think it's, for me anyway, it's obvious the benefit of taking a decision, according to what is the right thing to do, or what is guiding you and I liked very much how you, you simplify that you gave some examples as well about, you know, hugging your friends or not, or which or I think sometimes when people talk about body intelligence or body intuition, they, they assume it's something very subtle and mystical and something that it's not easily understandable that they need to do training or something. But with simple examples, brilliant examples as the one you gave, it's, I believe, it's easy for someone to realise that wait a minute, I can actually I do have indications coming from my body. So maybe the next step is do we listen to them, because they come to us. And it's, it's great to start attuning to it to them, whatever it is, I think the next step may or may be the difficulty is listening to them or trusting that this is the right thing versus the other thing because as you know, into nothing, everyone that has a head knows that the voice in the mind can be very loud and persuasive and distracting you from what is really, you know, genuine and authentic and true in your heart rather than what you must do so.

Cassandra Bodzak  17:16  
And I think that's, that's the work of the spiritual path. Right? Is it's like, great step one is that you know, what is good for you, you know what feels expansive, you know what your body intuition is telling you, your divine guidance is telling you. But then step two is can you actually take action on that? Right? Can you? Can you follow that up? And that's why I often tell my clients to start off with really small decisions, you know, start off with that decision that maybe doesn't feel so intense. Maybe it's the decision of like, Should you go to that event tonight? Or should you have a quiet night at home and maybe finish up on some work or read a book or whatnot, something like that, that feels like kind of low a low bar, and then making that choice, right. And maybe it is a radical choice to stay home when you got invited tour of an event that you feel like you should go to right? And we build up muscles, that way we build up muscles with every time we check in. And one of the you know, I know, we were talking earlier before the podcast and and you were saying you really like actionable? So I'm giving a lot of actionable is because I do think it's important. It's thinking of like, what are those little decisions, right? It's like, it's silly when I bought up like the breakfast choice, right? But being willing to actually just tap in and honour that, right? Being willing to go to the same maybe place that you grab your coffee and whatever, from every morning and tapping in instead of just going on autopilot and getting the thing you always get actually choosing. Oh, you know, today, my body feels like this is more expansive, right? You know, you have a 20 minute break in between meetings or something, and coming up with two options for yourself and thinking, Okay, well, one part of me maybe just wants to go to a park and, and meditate for you know, 10 minutes, get some fresh air. And the other part of me is like, well, you should, you know, respond to your emails, or you should send all those text messages back or whatever it is, and then actively choosing what your soul wants to do and not what you should do. Right? And being in that space of having more practice so that when it gets bigger when it gets more intense, when your intuition and your soul is calling you to do bigger things, more radical things where maybe it's like, leave the job, start your own business, leave the relationship that's not serving you or whatever it is, right. You're you've built up that momentum. Right, you've built up that momentum to trust it. Because then what also happens is when you start listening to it on those little things, and you'll inevitably not listen to it sometimes, right? So when you listen to it, let's say that lunch break, you gave your 20 minutes and you listen to it one day and you're like, you go to the park, you do a little 10 minute meditation, you come back and you feel amazing and refreshed for the rest of your day. Again, the day you like, look back, and you reflect like, wow, that, that benefited me so much, just listening in that moment, right? Even the breakfast choice, right, you make the choice that you feel guided to, and then you feel great. You know, you make it through all of your morning meetings, you feel amazing. And you're like, Wow, that was a really good choice. I'm so glad I listened. And then inevitably, you'll have a day where you don't wear like the shirt gets, you know, the better of you and you're like, you know what, I've 20 minutes, I just should answer all these text messages. So we do all that right? And then you feel not so great. Right? Then you feel depleted, you feel anxious, maybe you don't show up for the rest of your day as well. And it won't be very like dramatic, right? But it will just be enough for you to start creating that connection. Right, where it's almost like you're that neural pathway connection, of like I listen to this. And things go well, I listen to this, and it feels good. And then the more that we have that association with it, the more things actually just start working for us and things start flowing more and more in our lives, and we trust it more and more.

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Thank you. And I think it also what you described shows how important it is to pay attention at how we're feeling how, what is happening in terms of our emotional states, or you mentioned the example earlier of you know, sending your emails or responding to your texts instead of going for a walk and then feeling drained as a result and as think it's very relatable and I'm sure most people listening have had similar experiences. It's it's the matter of being able to be aware of it and not just let it go, which I've I will speak personally here that many times when I'm not in my, let's say the most alert and aware state, I might have these responses from my body, but I might tend to ignore them or overlook them, or at the very least note page, that attention that they deserve and say, Oh, it's only I'm just tired, and it's going to go away. So I'm just sharing that as maybe a subtle trap that is preventing us sometimes from paying attention, listening to what our body's telling us and doing the things that it it is.

Cassandra Bodzak  24:37  
Absolutely and that's why I think it's more of like having a mindful way of living. Right. So you're like living with more intentionality. And I think that that begins at the beginning of your day, right? It begins in the morning with your meditation, you know, and you start the day like that. out and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna meditate, I'm going to connect to my higher power, the divine, I'm going to tune in, and I'm going to intentionally start my day, then you walk into the day, with more mindfulness, you walk into the day being, because for me, meditation is often hand in hand with a prayer of sorts, right? Where it's like a prayer, even if it's like a general prayer of like, guide me, show me the way, right, show me what would be in my highest good today. And then you go into the day with that intention. So you go into that day, looking at those little things, and asking yourself, what's the guidance here? Where am I being guided, and following what feels expansive and falling? What feels good? And, you know, and it's totally normal, and it's totally human, when we fall out of that, right? And we have we get busy and other things go on, and we go on conscious. And I always tell my clients that I don't expect any of them to become like a Buddha on the mountain and like, transcend their humanity. I think it's, it's more about can we have a quicker comeback time? Right? Can we catch ourselves in those moments where we go unconscious? Can we catch ourselves and, you know, maybe you go unconscious for a day and you're on autopilot? Or you go unconscious for a few days, because you got crazy stuff going on at work? It's not about beating yourself up about it, right? It's just about being like, Oh, I did it again. Look at that. I did it again. I'm burnt out. I'm stressed like what happened? Okay, let me just get back on track right now. Let me just start from whatever this moment is right. Now, the next decision I have to make the next move. Can I just tune in? Can I allow myself to be be guided? And can I be more mindful and aware of that guidance?

Agi Keramidas  26:47  
I like very much how you explain the mindfulness in naming this way of coming back to the, to the moment realising that, okay, we have gone astray or we have, but it's okay, let's get back, which is similar to the meditation when we meditate, isn't it, the mind will tend to drift away and you bring it back, and then it moves and back and back. And that's why they call it practice, because

Cassandra Bodzak  27:20  
it's a practice. Yeah, exactly. It's true. It's just like in meditation, and like, sometimes when you meditate, you're thinking about your grocery list, and all the things that you need to do, right. And, and it's okay, right, and they just keep coming back to your breath. And even in those meditations, if you are successful at sitting through them, they have some value, and they do actually make you feel better. And some days, you do reach more of a transcendental state, and you go deeper, but they're all valuable. And it's, you know, it's about being being able to just show up and do the work, right. And not, it's easy to do the work for anything, right when it's easy. But when we build muscles, like we build muscles, like even in the gym, right, you build muscles with greater weight with greater resistance, right? So it's in those days, where all you want to do is think about your laundry list and all the groceries you have to get and we have to tell your mom and all these things, right? Those are the days that you build your mindfulness muscles, right that you're like, nope, bringing myself back. Nope, bringing myself back.

Agi Keramidas  28:31  
That's great. That's I get it this this, this working. Working out or working up to it or practising and improving and getting better at it and reducing the time between you going strain and cutting yourself and bring yourself back to the moment it's it is a it is a process and it is it is a journey and it is free. It can be fun if we look at it like that we're talking about meditation I also wanted to discuss with you because you with your book, you breeds meditation with manifestation and you know, manifestation is a word that has a certain colour to it. So for some people, they think that it is something you know, out there, so not necessarily for everyone. But can I ask you I wanted to ask you the obviously it's it's a big topic you you've written a book about it, but meditation manifestation. What is the the connective link between this these two? Yeah, I'm sorry if my question is very broad.

Cassandra Bodzak  29:58  
No, it's perfect. So, the whole reason why I wanted to write the book is because I do think there's such a strong link between manifestation and meditation. And I think a lot of people are really curious about manifestation, and completely forget about the meditation component of it. And what I think meditation does is meditation gives you that strong foundation, it connects you to your source it connected to the Divine, it connected to your higher power, it connects you to the part of you inside of you, that isn't, isn't this physical body, right? That is unlimited, that is infinite potential, right. And it's from that space, that we create anything in our lives. So we create that it's from that, you know, I call it the quantum field, right? But it's from that space that all of creation emerges from, not from our limited physical human, right, it's from that space of us that knows that we're so much more of that. And so for me, if you want to have the conversation about manifesting, it has to begin with meditation. Because meditation is how you plug in, is how you remember that. And it's how you return to that truth of who you are. And when we return to that truth, then, all of a sudden, you know, I believe that our desires are divinely designed. And so we have these soul desires that we come in with that oftentimes, like we were talking about, we get so distracted with what we should do in life and busyness and all the stuff we forget about them. And meditation then once again, brings us into that place of stillness, stillness and silence and mindfulness and intentionality in our life, that we can actually start seeing some of these desires emerging. And and then from again from that. And in the book and in my I have a like a 40 day meditation like guided journey programme called amplify. And you can utilise different meditations to connect to the Divine connect to that infinite potential, then connect to your soul's desires. And then you can also utilise meditation to help you release your fears and your doubts and your limitation. Right. And then we use meditation again to embody that next level us right. So the way I see it, meditation is like this foundational cornerstone for all four of the key steps to manifestation. And it all goes back to that, that that main concept that when we remember who we are, then we remember that we're divine creators, then we remember that the things that we desire are divine, and we can call them into being right and we can take the actions we can step into the energy and and they can flow into our lives.

Agi Keramidas  33:11  
Thank you. And like you mentioned the quantum field. I think you said that it's from the quantum field that all Creation emerges. And that's so that's so true when we really contemplate on it and you said earlier you were saying about I don't remember the exact words that you use that like a vehicle for the divine to express itself. I think you said it in such a way and I've had similar experience that I felt like and I will I will share specifically one I run the London Marathon last year it felt the experience happened through me I kind of felt like I was also observing ie running the marathon particularly the last few kilometres with when I went into a complete state of you know what, there was no thoughts there was nothing there was there was only running no to me. So the meditation it took about after four hours of running to go there but you got there Can I ask you from your experience guiding your clients or your students in meditation, what would you say is maybe a big obstacle in someone when they have when they you know they do meditate they they do put their fault on a daily basis. However, the results and they will use the His words, quote unquote results do not seem to appear, or this may be the transcendental state that you mentioned earlier or, you know, something that is, you know, an experience a unique experience, but it seems to be a loading. Do you think there is some particular obstacles? That's my question. Makes sense.

Cassandra Bodzak  35:27  
Yeah. I think yeah, that definitely happens with some people where they feel like I'm showing up for my daily practice, I'm not really getting that feeling that everyone else is talking about, I'm not really finding the peacefulness or, you know, transcending into that space. And I think there's some really practical things around that, that, like the practical, right, this is, I think, a really practical, there are some practical solutions here. So one is, don't have caffeine before you meditate, right? Caffeine, we're stimulating our brain. And we're already getting it like up and running and going and it stops your brain from being in that nice, relaxed state. That's kind of the ideal meditation state is between asleep and awake. So if you want to think about how you feel, maybe that first time the alarm goes off in the morning, or you hear the dog bark, or the light creaks in and you're kind of like, you're awake, but you're not fully awake, you know, that's the state we want to be in. So don't drink your morning cup of coffee, before you meditate, try to meditate first, that will really help you. Doing it first thing when you wake up or right before bed can also help you as well. Because once again, our body is already naturally in that state. So if you just move from your bed to maybe a chair in the room, or the couch or whatnot, so you're not in bed, going to fall asleep, but you're still not allowing yourself to fully wake up, you can get a really nice powerful meditation. Another thing in that regard is making so making sure that you're really comfortable. Having your body in a nice, comfortable state, I always say that, you know, the kind of meditations I'm doing. I'm not like, there's a level where I have done meditations myself personally, where you transcend certain, like physical pains from sitting so long, which I personally love. But when we're just starting out, we don't need to do that to ourselves, right? We don't need to do that yet. We can build up to that. And then another big thing I would say, is meditate longer. We, I think we have a culture of like, we want everything and we want it really quick. And I'm all for someone doing like a five to 10 minute meditation if they're just trying to build up that like routine and that stamina of taking that time for themselves. But if you really want to feel something, if you really want to, you know get to that space, there's a reason that most traditions are at least 20 minutes. Right? And so taking that time for me personally, and I've been meditating for years, I really don't like short meditations, because they don't do much for me, right? It's like a nice little recentering, but I'm not gonna get the juice from five minutes, you know. And so I would say doing a longer one. And one of the things that I've told my like, for instance, I have this like 40 day meditation programme called amplify, and some of the people have asked me about that, in that programme. And I've told them, just do the meditation, the meditations are like 15 minutes long or so each, do it twice. Right? Think about that first time you're doing the meditation, if you're doing a guided meditation, it's okay, if you like, open your eyes, you stop, you've still you've still brought in yourself down to a more relaxed state. And so the the second go round at it, it's about to be that much powerful, more powerful. Because I do think it's important to have people have that experience. Because when you when you touch that place, then you no longer need to be convinced to meditate. You want to keep touching it, you want to keep you know, visiting that spot. So I think it's important to help people get there.

Agi Keramidas  39:30  
Absolutely, that's why I'm asking and thank you so much. You gave me your answer was very useful and what you said about the 20 minutes minimum is is important. Yes, because many apps have less than that they and and also it is what you said about we want to do things as quickly as possible that the microwave mentality

Cassandra Bodzak  39:58  
is true. But you know what I owe you say that the the, the time that you spent meditating has such a high ROI, it has such a good return on your investment, that if I meditate for, let's say, an hour in the morning, you could think of that as like losing time. But actually, I've seen this with myself time and time again. I'm so much faster and like more focused and clear. And so I get so much more work done in less time. When I go into it from that meditative state versus like just skipping the meditation and going into with my frantic anxious energy. I know exactly. We've all done both.

Agi Keramidas  40:45  
Yes, absolutely. Again, it's important what you were saying earlier to realise that if you've done something and I can see the results in my day, the feedback from my day cabinet, and it's not favourable to me just to take a pause and reflect on what has happened. And why am I like that? And how I can change it next time so that I don't perpetuate it. Sure. Yeah.

Cassandra Bodzak  41:14  
And that's such a simple thing. But it's huge, right? Just having that moment. It's like one of the things I also I forced my clients to do all the time, where it's like, I'm not upset with you if you fall off track, right? I'm not upset with you if you mess up. But just in that moment, let's like, stop and reflect and just do exactly what you said, just ask yourself, what happened? Oh, I woke up late, or I snooze three times. Or you know what? I immediately started thinking, I answered my phone. As soon as I woke up, right? Just see, where did they go off track, so that you can do better than next time? And then, you know, it's never, sometimes I've had those days. And I realised by lunchtime, I didn't meditate. And I'm frantic, and I just had to jump into a bunch of work stuff, right? And so I just stopped and I meditate then, right? I'm like, let me just do it now. So the rest of the day gets to be

Agi Keramidas  42:10  
yes, it's never too late to tell. every passing moment is a new opportunity to start over. That's, that's great. Thank you very much. This is This is wonderful. Cassandra, to be honest, I briefly that's maybe two out of the five or six things that I wanted to discuss with you. But it's I don't mind because I think we went kind of deeper in this topic. And hopefully, we've provided some not just valuable, but also some maybe implementable actionable items. I know for sure for myself, and I will say that right now. I'm going to increase my the time I practice meditation, because when you said it, it completely made sense that I'm not doing enough. I'm doing it every day, but not to that sense. So I also got a very actionable simple to do. Thank you for that. I would also like to ask you some quickfire questions just to wrap this conversation up. And the first one I always ask is What does personal development mean to you?

Cassandra Bodzak  43:32  
That means for me, it means always continuing to grow. It means always trying to become a better version of myself, or as I would say, a more expressed version of my soul, and in better alignment.

Agi Keramidas  43:50  
I like that more expressed version of the soul. It's a great way to describe Thank you. And a hypothetical question. If you could go back in time and meet the 18 year old Cassandra, what one piece of advice you would give her.

Cassandra Bodzak  44:09  
Oh my gosh, give her I would, I would just tell her to trust, trust, trust that it's all working out. And to go for it. Just go for it. And that yeah, just just go for it and know that you can create anything you want and that everything that's going to be ahead of you is going to really serve a purpose.

Agi Keramidas  44:40  
Do you know I've asked this question to hundreds of people and sometimes it's amazing how similar the the theme of the not not the answer itself and the words the words are different, but the meaning there of that. Trust that believing in yourself not to worrying about, you know what life holds, is so, so common, I really like that.

Cassandra Bodzak  45:09  
And it's funny because it's still probably something that most people struggle with, right. But as I'm sure, of course, the people that you're interviewing on your podcast, you have that level of self awareness, where now it's like, well, I see how all the dots connected. I don't need to tell her to necessarily do anything differently. But I, you know, if I tell her to trust them, maybe it'll save her some pain and anguish?

Agi Keramidas  45:38  
Absolutely. Cassandra, what is the best place for people to connect with you and find out more about what you do? And you mentioned the AMPLIFi programme earlier on as well. So can you direct us to it?

Cassandra Bodzak  45:58  
Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram at Cassandra. But Zack, I have a lot of there, the link and my bio on Instagram has, you know, can help you get to the AMPLIFi programme. It can also which is a 40 day guided meditation journey. It also has links to my book, if you're interested in my book Manifesting through meditation, or to my website I have, I think we're gonna give you some links to put below so that you can find I have a free divinely designed your life 101 course, which kind of talks about, we touched a little bit on the, those four pillars of manifesting through meditation. So if that was intriguing to you, that's a good workshop to dive into. And then of course, my website is Cassandra balzac.com. So you can find all my things on there. But I'm, I'm active on on Instagram. And you can also reach out via DM or say, hi, and let me know you enjoyed the podcast. That's wonderful. Thank

Agi Keramidas  47:01  
you. I want to thank you very much for this conversation we had today Cassandra found it. I had a feeling beforehand that it would be, you know, meaningful and deep and entertaining as well, I think it was. So thank you very much for your time for sharing your wisdom with with us today. And I want to wish you all the very best with your mission and your work in, you know, growth and contribution. So any last parting words from you?

Cassandra Bodzak  47:35  
Well, thank you so much. And thank you for having me on. And for all the listeners, I would say, you know, don't get overwhelmed with the spiritual journey. I think, you know, I'm really excited what kind of just naturally evolved out of this episode. Because if you follow the practical steps we talked about in this episode of Just those small daily moments of listening to the guidance, right, that's all you need. Right, that will guide you where you're going. And so you know, keeping it back to the basics of your meditation and following that intuition are, you know, like the golden keys, so don't let yourself get too overwhelmed with all the other things like keep it simple, and you'll be on the yellow brick road. Thank you for having me.

Agi Keramidas  48:33  
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