#416 How to transform your deepest fear into healing, and the role of homeopathy in holistic health and spiritual growth, with Sarah Thompson.

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Sarah Thompson 0:00

That's when I realized that all true healing starts with surrender. And that surrender necessarily involves the things that scare us the most.

Agi Keramidas 0:26

You're listening to personal development mastery, the podcast that empowers you with a simple and consistent actions to take that will help you create a life of purpose and fulfillment. I'm your host Agi Keramidas. And this is episode 416. Have you ever wondered how surrendering to your deepest fears could be the key to true healing? By listening to today's conversation about healing, you will discover how to surrender to the healing process. You will also learn how to integrate homeopathy into holistic healing, and also how to use the practice of envisioning total health. So simple and yet so powerful. Before we dive in, if you enjoy listening and appreciate what we're doing here, the simple quick favor I'm asking of you is to click the subscribe button. Now let's get started.

Agi Keramidas 1:35

Today, it is my pleasure to speak with Sarah Thompson. Sarah, you are a certified homeopaths who specializes in deep healing without drugs. After being diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia in 2010, you embarked on a transformative journey that led you to discover the profound power of natural healing. You are passionate about helping others achieve health by addressing the root causes of their physical, mental and emotional issues. Sara, welcome to the show. Hi, I'm excited to speak with you today.

Sarah Thompson 2:15

Thank you so much, I'm really looking forward to being here.

Agi Keramidas 2:18

And so my plan today is that I want to explore with you in a way of finding mastery through understanding our physical or mental symptoms. And also I want to discuss the role of homeopathy in all this. Before we go there. I hinted already in my introduction that you've gone through a great challenge with your health. What I would really like to personally to find out the most about such story was where was that turning point when you realize that healing was not what you thought it was. And you changed your focus maybe or direction to different.

Sarah Thompson 3:11

Yeah, it was early on in the process, but it was not immediate. So the what happened was, when I was diagnosed with leukemia, I didn't even know I was sick. I didn't even have a doctor's appointment. My son My who was my younger son was eight months old at the time. And he was seeing an osteopath, because for teething, just you know, an adjustment, cranial adjustment, no big deal. But I was tired. And it was an integrative practice. I thought maybe I have mono. Who knows. So I ordered a blood test because I was there. And so that's how I got diagnosed, the a tech caught it on the blood test that something was wrong. And so when they call me and told me that I they initially didn't tell me that I had this diagnosis, they told me that they wanted me to come back in and I pushed and pushed and pushed. And then finally they said, Well, you think you might have cancer. And that had not ever been a part of my framework. Because I had what it turns out, what I'd later discovered was really an ego story about my natural lifestyle and my natural health. And I was living in the country. And I was eating this natural kind of holistic traditional diet and drinking good water. So I thought I had all the bases covered. But I only was thinking materially and the ego story was, I have this healthy lifestyle. I'm never going to get seriously sick. I'm someone who would never do chemo, all those things that we tell ourselves when we can because we don't have to face the choice. And so when I received this diagnosis, my first reaction was completely within that story to say, I'm going to fight this and I'm going to beat it and I'm going to prove that that can be done naturally. But I was still thinking about this disease in the sense of this is an enemy and an other and I'm going to go to war with it. And I'm going to win, and my ego is going to win. So this is where I started from, I didn't go to the hospital, which is what they wanted me to do, I didn't start chemo, which is what they wanted me to do. But I was getting sicker and sicker because I had these two little children at a four year old and I had a baby. And I was not in a place in my life, where I could just drop out of everything and go off to the jungle and go on some big healing journey. You know, I was trying to piecemeal it into a modern American lifestyle. And it wasn't working. And I was getting sicker and sicker. And then when I was sitting at the dinner table one night, and I said, still very much in that ego story to my family, to my husband in particular, I said, I'm not kidding, I'm not going to die of cancer. And he paused and he looked at me, and he had tears in his eyes. And he said, Can you promise me that? And I thought, Who am I doing this for? Who was this about? And I realized, through a series of events that also had to do with the, the nature of this incredible good fortune I had of the oncologist that they assigned to me, was an amazing, gentle, honest man who really was the only person I probably ever could have worked with. And I thought, I think that what I'm being asked to surrender to here is the thing that scares me the most, which is to go into the medical system, and find out what I'm supposed to be learning here, and why this is the best thing that ever happened to me. And so totally counter intuitively, from a perspective of natural healing. The opportunity for surrender was to go right into my biggest fear, which was the system. And when I did that, and I went into the hospital, and I said, Okay, I'm going to treat this whole thing like, like a meditation retreat, like a spiritual journey, and I'm going to find out why this is the best thing that ever happened to me. That's when I realized that the beginning of when I realized that all true healing starts with surrender. And that surrender necessarily involves the things that scare us the most. So that's where the turning point was. And it was the beginning of a long road. And I want to say that, because when we start on the path of true healing, it doesn't mean that we start out, we start feeling really good. And it doesn't mean that life gets easy on a physical level right then, but there's a level of easy, that's at the deepest level of psychic experience that does start to manifest. And so even the brutality and pain of aspects of the healing process. They make sense, because it's sitting on this foundation of trust and surrender.

Agi Keramidas 8:23

Thank you. Well, there are so many things. Where do I start the first one you said about surrender? And I understand you said that you're facing your biggest fear was to get into the medical system and have the treatment? How common is that fear with other people that you have worked with? Do you think that this is a fear for most people? Or are there other fears that that may be even more, you know, common, that people need to surrender to ask you sit?

Sarah Thompson 8:58

So I think there's a common, I think there's a fear that people recognize and then I think there's a subconscious fear and the fear that people recognize when they come to work with me in general, because I'm a homeopath, because I'm in the natural world, and I got to that world through my process of going into the conventional world. I wasn't a homeopath prior to that, that, that fear of the medical system, and, and let me qualify this by saying that, I think that's legitimate, I do think there's a better way I do just think I was in so deep and didn't have the resources to find it. But that the that fear of the medical system and the way it's not about serving the patient, all of those things, that is a lot of the reason that people do come to me that they don't want to go into the medical system, they don't want medication, they don't want surgery. They are all of those things. And, and we try to work around that. I mean, my goal is to keep people out of that system for sure, including my Sell forever. Because once I was done with that I was done and I've never gone back. But there's an unconscious fear too, which is that if, if I surrender into whatever is being offered right now, as a result of this sickness, the healing that's on the other side of that might involve letting go of so many things about my identity and my story. And that's so scary, that people will hold on to their sickness, because their sickness is their story. And they believe intellectually that they want to heal, but they're spiritually attached to the illness. And that's the level at which I'm looking at healing is how do we release that spiritual attachment to disease. And for me, it involves a, an ego attachment to what I thought healing had to look like. And so I'm, I believe healing looks like what it looks like in the individual. And I don't have a paradigm, or an algorithm for what that has to look like, in any one, I work with people in the system, I work with people outside of the system, I work with people at every place on the spectrum.

Agi Keramidas 11:17

What you said about the unconscious fears about letting go of identities and stories, I think that resonates quite a lot. And there is one other thing you said earlier on that I wanted to briefly ask you for your comment. And that was you thought, Who am I doing this for? So can you share what, how important or how different is the the reason behind that our desire to heal, and whether it is something that it is for us, or for, you know, the greater good or our family or whatever else might be bigger than us as our mission?

Sarah Thompson 12:06

Yeah, so there's, there's the me, that's the my identity and my ego. And then there's the me, that's my higher purpose here. And the me that's my ego story, drives the bus, a lot of the time, when I'm trying to choose what I need, I get sick and my egos. So now my ego story can sometimes be Well, I'm a homeopath. And so I can't get sick, or I'm not supposed to be sick, or I have to figure this out right away. I have those stories all the time, they come up, I see them, I laugh, but they're there. And, but then there's who I'm supposed to be doing it for, which is my, my higher and divine purpose. And that encompasses all of the things that I touch, all of the people that I care about my place, the earth that I am grounded to my space and gravity, all of those things. That's who I intend to be doing it for. And I have to remind myself of that when it starts to be the ego me that I think I'm doing it for. And that's a gentle transition. That I mean, it's taken me years I'm, I'm for what, 14 years out of my initial treatment. I'm actually today, as we are recording this exactly 10 years out from a bone marrow transplant. So today is my 10th Three birthday. And this is been a journey. So it's, I try to remember that at every stage of the way we need that midwifery. But those so that's the who I'm really doing it for and then there's sometimes who I think I'm doing it for.

Agi Keramidas 13:51

Thank you for the way that you explain that from these different points of view. Various let me go back, or rather go forward to because we haven't talked about it so much yet. A you mentioned the root cause that you know, underlies in your case, and with everyone's case there is a root cause. So how does one let's say someone listening right now begins to realize that yes, it is much more than what I think it is or what my doctor told me it is there is a deeper root cause How does one start to determine what might these root causes of physical issues, mental emotional issues? Where does one start looking for the answers?

Sarah Thompson 14:52

In my case, in my experience, and in my observations with pretty much everyone that I work with Is it comes through a dialog with, with the vector for your healing process. So in my case, as a practitioner, I try, I intend to be a vector for someone else's healing process because the process is in them. But I'm part of the dialogue so that we can get outside of ourselves and start bouncing back and forth around this thing. Because if we could intellectually, if we could intellectually bulldoze our way to it, then health would be no problem, we'd say I want to be healthy, and we'd be healthy. But it's not a bulldozer process. And so to get there, we go through I mean for it. So when I'm helping people understand the process, I start with the two hour intake where I get the complete picture of whatever is going on. And that's still really only the beginning. I mean, two hours is not actually enough for anyone to tell their whole story, most people just don't realize that. But we get started on that and patterns emerge. And those patterns exist on all those planes, there's a physical plane mental and emotional, the spiritual plane. And as these patterns emerge, then through the process of conversing about those patterns down the line with, you know, in the, through the process of treatment, people are able to start to see in themselves to have that aha moment of oh, my patterns here and here. And here. That pattern dynamic goes back to the root. And the, the interesting thing is that in this type of work, I believe in in true healing work. And there's a there's an ancient debate, there's a debate that's 1000s of years old, just in the history of western medicine, about what which of these two things is true, there are two ideas. One idea is that, and this is what I believe and perceive, we never actually know, down to the last sort of subatomic level, what is the true root cause that's not given to us? That's a sort of spiritual kind of entity. So all we can ever do is identify downstream of that, what are the different ways in which this root cause manifests. And as we heal all those things, we heal the root, but we never actually know what it is, as opposed to it the other an alternative viewpoint is, there's disease and it's a thing and you cut it out and remove it, and then it's gone. And these are both ancient ideas. But the the one that seems to me to make more sense is the one that heals people, and the one that heals people is the one where we say, I don't have a godlike understanding of what's happening within the system. But I am I am gifted as we all are gifted with the ability to observe and perceive. We use those gifts to be an odd undiscriminating discriminating, but I'm prejudiced in our observations, and identify those patterns. And that is what elicits that shift.

Agi Keramidas 18:28

If you enjoy this episode, can you think of one person that would find it useful and share it with them, I'd really appreciate it, it helps the show grow. And you will also be adding value to people who care about. Thank you. And now let's get back to the episode. Thank you for this beautiful answer and the patterns that emerge and observing them the way that you said, I want to bring now what we've talked about so far, to bring it along with homeopathy as well. So can you tell me in a moment, actually, before I ask you, what is the personnel involvement? Or maybe not the personnel involvement? How is it connected to what we've been talking about so far? But before, before I asked you that, let's start with something more basic for in case someone is listening and not sure what homeopathy is. So if you could just briefly explain the fundamental principles of it and how it is different than you know, most people know about?

Sarah Thompson 19:42

Yes, and that's a great question because it is different homeopathy. Sometimes when people think about it, they confuse it with natural empathy or holistic medicine in general. And it is its own whole system of medicine, just in the way that there is a system of medicine that we think of as the Western conventional system. homeopathy is a whole system of medicine. And it is based on two root directives. The first of which is that the job of the practitioner is to bring the client, the patient to a state of full restoration of health, that that is a calling and a mission and the job of the practitioner, and that this state of health has a definition, which is that the vital force that animating agency should rule with unbounded sway in the organism and allow our reason gifted mind to bring us to our highest purpose. That's the job. And it's, it's and it's clearly spelled out in our foundational text that this is what we are supposed to do. And there are four principles on which we do that. The first is the individualization of the case. So this is a way that it's different from a lot of conventional forms of medicine is that each case is unique. Each disease only exists in the person, it doesn't exist outside of the person. So how it shows up in the person is the whole picture. That's we use the totality of symptoms. So the complete picture of the deviation of the state of health, the aspects of somebody that are healthy, in their state, are, they're irrelevant as the fat as the background of what's going on. But when we talk about the totality, we don't mean the whole person so much as the whole of the disease state. The matching of the similar medicine, which is that in homeopathy, we use homeopathic potencies made from natural substances. And they are, they're formulated in a way that makes them completely non toxic. And they what they do is they have a symptom picture that if you give if when we test this in a group of Healthy People, ever, hell group of Healthy People will take the remedy, and they will record with a supervisor over a period of months, what are the symptoms that show up. And that gives us a reflection, they you know, where you feel sensations in the body where you experience motional states dream states, whatever, that we then match to an actual physical disease state in the person. And the heart, the slight dissonance that's created by that allows the vital force to return to our harmonic state of health. So it's stimulating, not acting on the body. And that's through the process of similar healing. And then that we use what we call the minimum dose, which means we only give as much as we need to stimulate that process. And never more, because the ability of the body to heal itself is incredibly powerful, and incredibly subtle. And we want to respect it, and not hit it with a hammer. So it's gentle, it's effective. It's slower than hitting it with a hammer. It's individualized, and we look at the whole picture. And and we use a similar remedy. So we look at what will resonate with the body state of disease in order to allow the body to remove that itself.

Agi Keramidas 23:29

Thank you for this concise, yet comprehensive explanation about this. So now that we've done that, let's connect to homeopathy with what we were saying earlier and about, you know, the patterns that the meds show, how does it connect? What is the role in there? Right.

Sarah Thompson 23:52

So, of course, the individualization and the totality are the things that show us the pattern in the in the client, in the patient. That's where we get the pattern and my job is to have that unprejudiced discernment to see what's what's signal and what's noise. And then the remedy itself also has a pattern. And just like disease is on the physical, the mental, the emotional, the spiritual plane. Every remedial agent also has a physical, mental, emotional and spiritual, dynamic. And this is true of pharmaceutical drugs, too. It's just that it's not acknowledged. So you give somebody somebody might take a drug for, let's say, heartburn or hypertension or whatever. But people will often talk about and they go through a course of antibiotics, they feel depressed or they have nightmares or whatever, that these are the other planes of effect of those substances. So in homeopathy, we just acknowledge that they're there and we match the whole thing. So when we're matching the whole thing from the remedial agent, all of those levels of the disease state are getting vibrated and healing. And so in that way, we go to that deepest place of dynamic Miss attunement, because we touch it on all levels, as opposed to just saying, Well, this is on the skin, or this is in the liver. And so we're just removing that thing. Because there's no just that thing. And so we want to make sure that our remedial agent matches all of it. And that's how homeopathy works. We match that similarity of the suffering state in order to relieve and remove the disease state.

Agi Keramidas 25:48

And don't we know that you mentioned the word disease disease state, you said, Can you apart from the what one would consider overviews disease, which is some physical disease can let's expand that I would like to expand when we say the disease state to the mental, the emotional, because that these are not as easily visible, as the physical and are often less talked about, or maybe even have a certain level of prejudice with them. So I would like some of your wisdom regarding regarding these particular elements. Sure.

Sarah Thompson 26:35

Well, as, as I said, in homeopathy, the we have a definition of health. And that definition of health is that we are able to pursue our purpose, right. And so through my own process of being in homeopathic care for a lot of the last 14 years, I I found mine, at least now, who knows what will morph and change but which is that in doing this work, what I came to understand for myself, and what I came to understand as my message is that when we experience a state of discomfort on any of these levels, we're being given an opportunity we're being shown the portal to what is our individualized wisdom, journey into healing. And we have to choose to take that journey, we can choose not to, you can just spin your wheels, and grind the gears forever, people do it all the time. So we have to choose to take that journey if we really want to heal. And that that choice is the surrender aspect of this process. And there is a conscious decision. We don't as I said, we don't intellectually bulldoze our way into health. But we do need to take responsibility for the conscious choice to allow ourselves to go through the healing process, identifying the ways that we are resisting that is where we see that mental that emotional, that spiritual, block or conflict. That is that that's so much a part of our story of who we are and how we move through the world, that we are tempted to separate that from whatever's happening on every other plane. If we do that, we are not tapping into the super hot power. That is, now I feel bad. And that's exciting, because it means that there's some next level of healing that wants to happen. And what's on the other side of that is going to be amazing. But I have to surrender to the fact that I don't know what that is. And that choice needs support in the process. And I think that support it get it's missing even in a lot of holistic care, understanding the need to midwife that aspect of things, if you're really healing from your autoimmune disease or your irritable bowel syndrome or your arthritis or whatever. It's actually all autoimmune. If you really healing from those things. There is going to be a process of discomfort and transformation that's also happening on this mental, emotional and spiritual plane. And all of that should be supported and midwifed during that process. So I do that all as part of the package of how I do my care. But what's important is that we have to acknowledge that it has to happen. And so Absolutely, it gets ignored. It gets forgotten. It gets sidelined, it gets treated as something else. Oh, I have this physical illness And I have this mental thing. So I'm going to take this anti anxiety or anti depressive drug while i deal with the physical thing, and then I'll deal with the depression later. No, it's not going to work. It's not going to happen, because they are together.

Agi Keramidas 30:18

Thank you. And out of all this, I will repeat one phrase that I highlighted that and I will leave that towards the listeners to remember is you said you have to choose to take the journey, if you really want to heal it is a it is a choice and it has a path it is a journey. It is not, it is. So that is for me a very profound comment when one thinks about it. So thank you very much. That was That was wonderful. Sir, I do have some one starting wrapping up. Quick questions that I always ask my guests before I do. Worse. Would you like to direct a listener that has enjoyed this conversation and wants to learn more? Or take the next step with you?

Sarah Thompson 31:15

Yes, I offer a free informational call. So that is something that people should go right to my website and schedule because that is a no obligation phone call. And a lot of people need to have more questions, and I want to make sure that I address those. The the easiest way is that you can find my website through no drug health.com no drug health.com easy to find. And then I am on Twitter, and Instagram as big healer, Sarah Sa ra h. But my name is Sarah Thompson, my business is intercity homeopathy. That's most people don't know how to spell that. So I got no drug health.com as well. But you can find me through either one inner sea homeopathy works as well. But no drug A health.com will get you right to my site, there's an easy quick to set up a call and we can have a conversation.

Agi Keramidas 32:11

Excellent. Thank you for that. And let me ask you my two, two quick questions, then sorry. And the first one is What does personal development mean to you?

Sarah Thompson 32:23

Personal Development, first and foremost, means embracing that any experience of discomfort is an opportunity to enter that portal. And surrendering and choosing to go through it. And then getting the help that you need if you need help. And I did. And I still do. So I created it for other people. But that's what it means to me is to see that the opportunity is a gift and to choose it.

Agi Keramidas 32:55

Thank you. And hypothetically speaking, if you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give her?

Sarah Thompson 33:06

Well, that's a great question right now, because I have an 18 year old boy, not a girl, but I have an 18 year old and I watch the decisions that I've made differently than when I was a child and how he is different. And cultivating that inner intuition and inner guidance and inner compass so that you know, you are choosing something that's your own path. The thing that he does, that I didn't really understand, and that I wish I had known was think about what you are making as a priority, because we really only get one at any given time. And once we establish that something is a priority, everything else we do is in a fall towards that thing. And sometimes we think intellectually that we have a priority, but we're actually moving in a different direction. And so then we don't really get what it is that we truly need. So being clear, even though it's going to change and it won't look like what I think it's going to look like if I could have understood. Get clear on what it is you think you want. And start testing whether or not that feels true. I think I would have avoided a lot of traveling the hard way. I've always believed we get where we're supposed to go and we're where we're supposed to be in order to make the next step. But I think there's an easy way and a hard way. And I took the hard way a lot

Agi Keramidas 34:43

said I want to thank you very much for this wonderful conversation and the insights that you shared with us today. I want to wish you all the best with your mission and what you do helping others I will leave it to you for some actionable parting wisdom for the listener, what's something they can do after they finished listening or tomorrow morning to go into more of a state of health?

Sarah Thompson 35:17

Absolutely. It relates to what I just said about something I wish I'd known. Take a moment to picture for yourself. If I say, I wave the magic wand right now, and you move into a state of total health in a, and it can be fantastic. It doesn't have to make sense. In a practical level, I say, if you want to wake up in Bali and go to sleep in Alaska, make that the vision map out for yourself. What this state of total health what is, what do you see? What do you feel? What do you smell? What is the experience in your body? When you imagine a state of total health? That feeling is the actual compass, whatever the outside ends up looking like, might not be anything about what you imagine? But it's going to have that feeling. So start to temper that, feel that part of yourself in the the crucible of this process of what would it feel like to be healthy? Because most of us don't know it first. And that has to keep evolving. So wherever you are, is great. That's step one. I had a lot of, Oh, I know, I want this and I'd get there and say, Oh, that isn't actually what I wanted. And this will continue to be true. I'm only 47. So but that feeling, I get that feeling. And that reiterates and that's what I most wish for people to have and to hold on to is what is that feeling? Now your life will fall towards that.

Agi Keramidas 37:07

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