#200: Two years of Personal Development Mastery podcast: Agi is interviewed by Will Polston.

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Will Polston  0:08  
Welcome to Personal Development mastery. This is episode 200. And as you can probably guess, this isn't Agi Keramidas. My name is Will Polston and I am delighted that on today's show, I have the pleasure to be joined by a very special guest. Somebody that if you listen to this podcast regularly, you know very, very well indeed, it's the incredible Agi Keramidas. Agi is a zealous podcaster and knowledge broker and he's on a mission to inspire others to grow, stand out and take action towards the next level of their lives. Agi, welcome to your show.

Agi Keramidas  0:46  
Well, thank you very much for this amazing introduction. And it's, it's amazing to be celebrating the episode 200. With you, thank you.

Will Polston  1:01  
Nice, it's an absolute honour to be able to share this special, very special anniversary episode with you. And for people that are thinking, why have you got somebody else doing this? Actually, I think it'd be great to give people a bit of context. But before we do that, let's just talk about how special this episode has been, as this episode this, this podcast has been because as of tomorrow, at the time of this recording this, the podcast will be two years old, you've launched two podcasts, you've had close to 300 episodes, you've had 50,000 downloads over 105 star reviews, you've been listened to in over 100 countries, and you're in the global top 2% of all the podcasts around the world. I mean, that's some achievement. Congratulations, my man.

Agi Keramidas  1:45  
Thank you. Thank you. It was a fruit of passion it that's how it began and began. And I think that's one of the reasons that you know, it's it sounds very impressive when you hear these numbers, but it's really not about the numbers at all. But it's about putting heart into what you do and loving what you do. And then the numbers comers see reflection of that. That's That's how I see it. But it's thank you for the kind introduction. Yeah,

Will Polston  2:25  
it's if I make as people might be thinking, what why is, why is this guy, we're doing this, but I've been involved for your journey. And I've loved being part of your journey and seeing you grow and thrive and develop. So I don't know if it'd be useful to give people a little bit of context.

Agi Keramidas  2:42  
Can I give a quick one and then add the if I miss anything important, because my personal development journey when it started in 2017, you were part of that as a coach and teaching all those amazing personal development that you were and the events you're hosting. I have interviewed you on my podcast twice. And you have interviewed me as well. So it's been a very interesting, dynamic. And we we have been working together and became friends also during the years that we've known each other. And I have the biggest respect for you. I love your podcast, and you have interviewed some amazing people. And you're doing also a wonderful job as a fellow podcaster. And yeah, in thinking about this special episode 200 and coincided with the two years of personal development mastery podcast, I believe you are the most appropriate person to be sharing this conversation with you will. So that's that's my short introduction of who is it that shares this episode with me. I don't know if you want to add something else.

Will Polston  4:02  
I mean, what I would love to share. Before we go into some some really key things on these shows, we're going to be talking about some of your favourite guests, some of the turning points for you. And a whole array of different things. But what I would love to people that are maybe listening to this for the very first time, or they've only recently stumbled across the show, and they've started loving it. Your own personal development journey, right? So you've called the podcast personal development mastery. What What does personal development mastery mean to you?

Agi Keramidas  4:35  
That's one of the best questions really and it took me a while to answer it or to define it myself. When I first named the podcast I thought the mastery sounds really cool. Very cool, personal mastery, so I'll name it like that. And then I had a couple of my guests early on. Sharing the name of the podcast or telling me Wow, personal development master in Then I realised that I could set the bar too high, or I could set it high inadvertently for myself by naming the podcast mastery. So I got very stressed out how am I going to achieve mastery. And then I realised at some point that mastery is not something that can be achieved in a way, like a definitive point in time that you achieve. And then you in this case, anyway, the personal development master it is, for me an ongoing journey. And perfecting your journey of life in different for different people. But that is for me, mastery is the constant growth and perfection of my personal development, my journey, my life, my behaviour, my my heart, my soul, all that comprise me to move on and ongoing. So it took me a while to realise it's not a destination, because that heads disappointed initially. But yeah, I

Will Polston  6:18  
think that's it absolutely use. And I think it's a very valid point. I mean, I personally envisaged mastery, like a spiral. And I imagine that spiral that goes on and on and on and on and on. And you can actually feel quite often. So if you imagine that masteries in the middle of the spiral at the end, but then you look at it flat, and it looks like it's in the middle, and then you look at it from the side, and it's dragging all the way along and getting thinner. So sometimes it can feel like you're back to the beginning. But you're not back to the beginning, you are closer to mastery. I call it the mastery spiral. And I think it's something that that's very important indeed. So in what I think's important here, again, talking about personal mastery, and a lot of people it's very easy to look at someone I think why they've done it there at the end, they've achieved it. But how did personal development mastery the podcast start out for you? What What have you if you were to sort of reverse engineering go right back to the beginning? What was the part of that catalyst in that journey in terms of taking action for you?

Agi Keramidas  7:20  
Thank you for taking me back to that time will. This is actually my second podcast. So I had another podcast, which I was co hosting. and personal development mastery was born out of a desire to do more interviews, because I realised that I like to enjoy doing interviews and connecting with new people and all these conversations. But my previous podcast was like two co hosts talking. So it didn't fit like in the theme of interviews, show. That was the spark that made me create a second podcast, and also the fact that I wanted something that is completely my own app. Suppose you have because you have a similar journey with another boat, because you can understand what I mean, I wanted to create something that is exactly as I want to move it on. And little did I know when I started two years ago, what would happen with it? And I say often that it started as curiosity explorer, joyous exploration. I like that. That phrase, I wanted to do interviews, and I said, Okay, let's create a podcast and see what happens. But very quickly, I realised that it became my passion, because I kept on putting more and more time into it, it really consumed me much of my time, in a good way.

Will Polston  9:00  
I happen to know that there was something before that, though. Because you started posting quotes on social media, one quote a day, if I remember correctly. And what's interesting is that even now, your mission is to inspire others to grow, stand out and take action towards the next level of their lives, which was that was, albeit maybe subconsciously, the point of posting the quotes aligned with the same mission and then the podcast is the next evolution of that, that thread that you started to pull by posting the quotes on social media.

Agi Keramidas  9:37  
Yeah, I suppose you can call it like that. It's much more technically demanding to have a podcast, but it that is those posts, daily posts on social media, which again, I got inspired by you to do that back in 2016, I think 17 It was a very The good way for us to, to, to share and hopefully inspire some other people because I found those quotes inspiring myself. Sure, I thought some mothers might feel the same. So I started sharing it. And it was, you know, great when you have someone reach back to you and say, I really needed to hear that. So it kept me going. But yeah, that was, let's say, very early stage of moving on. But the podcast also allowed my deep need, which I didn't know at that time, but it's to express myself and speak what I had inside of me and share my voice. And, you know, it was my vehicle of self expression, among other things, but essentially talking about

Will Polston  10:51  
that. Yeah, and I want to bring this up. Because again, we're talking about personal development, mastery, is that this process for you started because you started. And if you've got a desire, a dream, something you want to strive towards starting in the smallest ways, is a great way to compound them. So let's fast forward a little bit. You've you've now had dozens and dozens and dozens of guests join you on the show. It would be very difficult for me to say what's your top number one guests that you've had, because I've known Sam for many reasons. But if you were to say, to have who have been your top five, or maybe a sentence or so, why each one has been your top five, or maybe a key insight that you learned from each of those five, that meant that they were the best ones for you.

Agi Keramidas  11:36  
That's a great idea actually, and present company excluded, I will say the five. So yes, one, the first one and I will say them in a chronological order was Sophia vasiliou, who studied with Dr. Bruce Lipton and C also did the shamanic apprenticeship in Peru. And what I enjoyed very much about that conversation is that see offered you know, many times the the worlds of science or rational thinking and the world of spirituality are very far apart, and many people see them at the opposite sides. That conversation gave very concrete evidence or merging science with spirituality in terms that you know, someone can understand and realise that when we talk about the spirit is not something out there. It is something that science and even epigenetics, all these things were blended into that conversation. So that was, I believe, very important, one of my, my favourites. And second one, for the same reason was Mark Gilbert, who I interviewed twice, because he started many and interviewed many of the top researchers in consciousness. And he presented it in a very simple as simple as the topic can allow, of course, in a simple way, scientific evidence of where does our consciousness or our mind come from? Where is it is it's inside the brain? And he proves not him, others prove it, but he reiterates that it's not. So it's fascinating and really changes the way that one thinks about everything, really. So again, bridging the science and spirituality. So I think these two are great to introduce this topic to many people who are completely rational and logical, and faith. They think that spiritual is something out there for the hippies, but it's not. So these were two of them. Well, I'll carry on quickly and mentioned the other thing senior since you asked us. It's difficult to have few but I narrowed the list down very much. One was actually that was quite recent. It was Dr. John Demartini. who it was. I was I went into a student mode. That was why it felt very different and very inspiring for me because I didn't feel like you know, I was interviewed him. I felt like I was listening to him. Teach me his wisdom for 4550 minutes. So that was for me more than enough. He was talking about gratitude. Since that evening, when I interviewed him, I have been keeping a gratitude journal every single day. So it's been over two months now. So it's it. His impact was creating a habit in me, which I believe it's very important. To more I will mention, one was David, St. keel. He, the reason why this conversation was very important, it was for me very important, because he answered me in a way that makes complete sense in my heart, something I was concerned about the podcast growth, the podcast numbers, I was looking at it very much like that. And he gave me the message that really resonated that it has nothing to do with the numbers and forget about the numbers, instead, focus on the alignment of the listener and celebrate the one person that gets transformed by the message that you have out there. Because when you have that vibration of appreciation and celebration of the one that is aligned, that will draw more people that are aligned to your message, and that was, I have printed that quote, and I have put it on on my wall because it was a very profound message.

I have set for will, and I will, there is one more, but it's not a guest. It's one of my favourite episodes of all time. Actually, it was a series of episodes, it was a feature about Gaia net, that was like five episodes in total, and Gaia net, I will share quickly for you and the people who haven't heard about it is a global community that connects heart centred people who want to make a change and work together towards a new earth to they use the phrase, the phrase to grow the roots of a new earth. So I interviewed five of the cofounders of that organisation and I collated their answers in an audio feature. And that was for me something that it was one of my favourite moments really apart from their mission, which involves, you know, humanity, it's not just about me, or you or a small group of people, it has to do with a whole air thing, humanity. Apart from that, it also allowed me to be very creative and create a story storytelling feature with their voices with me narrating who they are, how they, you know, got inspired to do, what they're doing and what their vision is, and so on. And that will take a little breath here, but these were five I will say more of the most favourite guests or episodes that I've had wonderful.

Will Polston  18:21  
Yes, I think it'd be really useful for people that are now intrigued about these, if you can put in the shownotes. A link to each of these episodes, people can go and listen to them, or at the very least each what number episode it is that people can go and hunt them out nice and easily. That'll be really useful.

Agi Keramidas  18:37  
More certainly that. Absolutely, that you will find all the numbers in the links in the show notes. Yes.

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Will Polston  20:17  
Fantastic. So one of the things that I know firsthand from having run my own podcast for for many years, like you have had to podcast and I've done many, many episodes now, have there been any turning points in your life or career as a result of specific episodes, or learnings or anything? Indeed, that has meant that you've had a turning point as a result of the podcasts. I'm curious to learn sort of any really big lightbulb moments that have really stood out for you?

Agi Keramidas  20:58  
Thank you for this question. There have been of course, there have been many turning points. And the first one I always remember because it really changed. How I was looking at the podcasts was around episode 10. When I went from one day, a week, or one episode a week to two episodes a week, it was when the lockdown started in the UK. So I very, very quickly realised because of the amount of time it needed to produce two episodes a week, and how much I loved doing it. Despite the amount of time I realised that it was a passion and very quickly became a mission without think of wanting to inspire people to give them some thing actionable, they can take and transform the lives that was a click that happens in my mind that the podcast from passion became mission. So that was around episode 10. And one other turning point that I remember was six months down the line. After having done two episodes a week, all of them were interviews. Well, I had never said the Show Low episodes, because I was you know, I wasn't sure yet if if my voice is strong enough to hold a full episode on my own. And I did that about six months into the podcast. And that really changed quite a lot in my in my confidence. That was episode 44. So I had to go up to there to speak on my own. And since that time i That was the catalyst don't allow me to do more solo episodes, because I realised that I didn't lose my words, I could hold the conversation on my podcast on my own. So that allowed me to do more, and different kinds of solo episodes over you know, the following months and year. I will, I will tell you two or three turning points that come to mind as well. One was continuing to what you told me earlier, when I realised that I have done, you know, at the time, I had done 160 episodes, and I had completely forgotten what has been had been told. So I started taking them, going back to the old episodes and doing some consolidation and taking out the actionable items and presenting them in a more concise form. So that was, again, something I do as a solo episode. But I take those learnings and repeat them, and also to myself, because there were so many things that I thought at that time. Oh, I'm going to do that for sure. And then I forgot it. So it's an opportunity to rate the rate and repetition, which is the mother of skills. In terms of turning points, actually, well, there is one more than maybe I will take a break because there are so many and maybe we can carry on if you want but the one thought feel I feel very, it's very important to discuss was when for the first time probably in my life. I became political at some point. And that was with my conversation with Mark Gober, who was talking about, he had just released a book talking about how the government threatens our liberty. And it was all views around the world, not just in the UK that the governments are taking away liberties and where that could end to show. I never cared about politics in my life, but recently because of You know, when you feel like your freedom is taken away, I felt compelled to react. So I express my opinions over a feature, which was also an interview with him about what is happening and what alternative could there be to this traditional structure of government show. I found that fascinating. And again, yes, I was never into politics, but the podcast allowed me to, at least for those few episodes for the feature to express my concern. And I don't know who raised who that resonated with or not. But that's, that's really relevant. Going back to what I was saying earlier, it's about who finds the has the alignment. So I'll take a break here, we'll there are many more moments to tell him points to concede this.

Will Polston  25:55  
Good, good, good, good. We're talking tournaments. There's a tonne of points in the podcast. But what I would love to also share with the listener is what have been some turning points in your life. Right. So you've got an extremely interesting life, I think, in terms of even from how you've gone from being in Greece to ending up here to the profession that you've been in, and that the various different things so what have been the top three moments in your life that have been the decisions that you've made that have shaped your destiny? To be what it is now, in my life, generally, in life in general? Yeah, let's let's this share some some insight for people that maybe don't know about what's been going on with Agi Keramidas. For the last, I mean, how old are you now? 25? Right, so 25 years? How is that been? What was the catalyst moment, I'll

Agi Keramidas  26:56  
tell you and I like very much that you call my surname Keramidas. With us, it's like the the Midas, the, you know, the the king that would? So, three points. The first one, obviously, the biggest one, not maybe not the biggest one. But the first one was when I moved to the UK from Grace were in a nutshell, because it's a long story. But I left a life, which on the outside seem to be fantastic. I had my dental practice in Greece, I was engaged to be married, you know, friends, family support. But I was feeling empty. So I took the decision and left all that and move to the UK, following a call link, really. And that's the shortest version I can make of that, but very much changed. Changed me very much. You know, I came to a different country on my own, you have to grow quite a lot. And that was very useful to me. That's what that's what the second one was. And it was at the Tony Robbins event in 2017. It was on day three of the event. I always will remember that day because it allowed me to identify a limiting belief that I had all my life. But I didn't know that it was a limiting belief. I thought it was who I was. It was part of my characters of my personality. And that was being shy, being introverted, being uncomfortable socially, not really speaking out the thoughts. I was like that all my life. I thought that's who I was into Dante I realised that it was a limiting belief, like a voice telling me that I gay people don't care if what you have to say it's not important. Why speak so when I show that that Yeah, a few months later, I did public speaking because it was it was so much shocking. And I know that you've been to that Tony Robbins event we learnt that process. The Deacon process is very powerful. It helped me really change the way I was looking at my ability to express myself and connect with other people. So that's the second one. And the third one, hmm. It will have to be the podcast way. But I wonder if I don't want to put in one moment in time. You know, the other two, you can probably narrow that down to a day or two an hour but The podcast as a turning point, it allowed me to express myself to connect with amazing people from around the world and become friends with some of them to have speaking opportunities that other people's, you know, events or podcasts or whatever else they were doing. And you're been able to, for me, it felt like an hour, kind of change the subject. So what I will follow it because it takes me there so many times when I was holding, holding conversations with people who I admired. It felt amazing to not be able to, to be in the same room virtual room with those people. And holding this conversation and asking them it was it still is an amazing feeling when you realise that you know what we are all humans communicating. And it's something that Dr. DE Martini talks a lot about putting people on pedestals because you perceive them to be better or more successful, or more knowledgeable or, and the podcast has allowed me to remove that pedestal from the people that I speak to, and you know, have a conversation like, like humans have a conversation. So that for me was was a big lesson or a big realisation that has happened as a result of these three years of three plus years of podcasting.

Will Polston  31:47  
Wonderful, it's lovely to hear. And what I think is really important now is that, obviously for you, you've been able to connect with people that you say that you've looked up to and that you've loved learning from, it's been a big part of your own journey, we've been hearing about how you've been able to develop and grow. And there is something special about being able to have those conversations and do that whilst knowing that there's people listening in over 100 countries around the world to these episodes, and being able to implement it in their own way, which is, which is incredible. So a few a few things on that, which is obviously something now that you actually help other people to be able to do. So you have a business now that enables people to be able to you assist them in the whole process of sort of identifying what their podcast looks like creating the podcast, growing it scaling it. So do you want to just share briefly, what it is that the new businesses that you do and how you help people. So if people are interested, then they're aware of it.

Agi Keramidas  32:45  
Absolutely, thank you. And it is exactly helping people who want to make a difference in the world with their voice with sharing their message or, you know, interviewing other people. Helping them do create more impact and make a positive difference by creating growing and scaling afterwards, their own podcast, podcasting is something that is while you're listening to it, so you know how important it is. And at the same time, it has lots of complexities learning curves and some difficulties to to implement in order to do it. So I take all those complexities away with my experience and take you from there the notion of I would like to have a podcast but I have no idea what to do and take you into a finished podcast that is working that is attracting audience that is making an impact that is fulfilling the purpose that you want to have a podcast about and and we can do that in a very short time. I usually say 30 days, but that's probably faster than most people would like to do it. So a couple of months maximum to have a quality podcast because I believe also that is very important. You can it's easy to put a recording out there and upload it. But that doesn't make it a podcast that people will listen to and be inspired or influenced. So that's, again in a nutshell. So it will thank you for for us to me every time you know when you get the terms to describe it. It goes in a slightly different way. So it was slightly different this time. So thank

Will Polston  34:39  
you. You're welcome. And for people that are curious, is there a resource or PDF or something they could download that that they can just start to get a bit of an insight into what some of the benefits are and what would be involved that we could put in the show notes?

Agi Keramidas  34:56  
Yes, that is I have a free guide How to create Add your podcasting seven simple steps. And it will give you a good understanding of you know, the essentials that you need to progress into that will be in the in the show notes or you can go to the website, Agikeramidas.com, you will find a big button there that will take you there immediately.

Will Polston  35:20  
And I highly recommend I've had the pleasure of seeing this particular resource, I highly recommend go download it, have a read of it. Because if nothing else, there might be someone that you could share it with, you know, that may be interested in notes on a podcast, absolutely go and do that. So Agi. But before we wrap up this a few other questions that I want to want to ask you about more. I do future guests, if you could have three guests if you could rub Aladdin's lamp right now. And you could have three guests of any guests in the world whether they were dead or alive. Who would you want to have on the show?

Agi Keramidas  35:55  
First I came to mind right now is Wim Hof. Because I've been doing his programme, I'm not ready yet to interview him because I want to advance more the method and be able to ask him more deeper things. And Tony Robbins is always a person that you know, it's he's been my, probably the most impactful person in my, you know, my personal development journey. Sure, still, he would be a person to interview and this tool, I still have the opportunity to do so. I will pick one from the past as well. And that will be Marcus Aurelius, the Roman emperor, the Stoic philosopher, because I'm very much into stoic philosophy. And I would love to have a conversation with you.

Will Polston  36:49  
Very good, very good. Indeed. Well, obviously, Marcus may not be possible, but the other two, who knows what your space is great to see. So lots of people that get into personal development, lots of times we think about changing our thinking, for the future, to be able to change in hindsight is a wonderful thing. So many of us know and think that if we could go back and change things, when we were, say, 18 years old, there would be life would be different for us. Now I know, there's certainly been some key things for me. So if you could go back and meet your 18 year old self Agi, what would you tell him?

Agi Keramidas  37:25  
That's fine, because it's one of the questions I asked my guests. But this question is something that it's so important to me, I've written it down and put it in a little frame, actually, I will show it here, I have it here. Next to me, and I will, I will read it, this is the advice I would give to my 18 year old self. Be true to yourself, follow and do what you're passionate about. Read, keep learning, believe in yourself. Have faith, don't let other people's voice in judgement stop you. You are unique, you have a purpose in life, live your life purposefully. Create an extraordinary life, don't let your fears and negative inner dialogue stop you they are not you. Standout, don't fit in. That is the the key phrase.

Will Polston  38:22  
Wonderful, wonderful. And this is in suppose I do an exercise and you shared with me before we went on air, that that was born out of an exercise that I do or start started the process of maybe that's revision five of an exercise that I do with with clients an event that I run. And lots of people, when you ask them a question, what advice would you give your 18 year old self or your 15 year old self or your grandchildren or whatever, they share the information? But then the question I then ask them is, are you living it? And it's actually a bit of a showstopper for a lot of people because they understand it's so important. They want to share it with their grandchildren 15 out of their 18 year old self, whoever it is. And when they then ask themselves, Am I doing the thing that is so important that I'd be telling my grandchildren or 18 year old self? For some people? The answer's no. And that's powerful. But I want to acknowledge you because we read the first two lines there.

Agi Keramidas  39:28  
Be true to yourself, follow and do what you're passionate about

Will Polston  39:32  
that that second one. And I want to acknowledge you do follow and do what you're passionate about. I want to acknowledge you because you by most of society standards have reached the pinnacle Europe, you're a professional in one of the top medical professions you're a dentist, you've had your own practice, you've run practice, you move from one country to another you're doing it in your second language, you know all this all this good stuff, which for a lot of people is what they would deem success by most people suddenly gone to university that started to get what many many, many years You've chosen to move away from what society and maybe parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles would have deemed to be the successful career to follow your passion. And I want to acknowledge you because you have absolutely done that from the moment when you first started posting quotes on social media, from the moment when you left Greece to follow your calling to two then deciding to start the podcast and our taking that to the next evolution to help other people do the same. So I know how much you love podcasting, and how it's made an impact to you, which we've heard about today. So I just want to acknowledge you Agi on behalf of everybody that's ever listened to one of your podcasts, there's ever read one of your quotes that is ever connected in your Facebook group, which I highly recommend people go and join. Because of you doing what you're doing, you are having a huge impact on people, like globally. And I just want to make sure that you are giving yourself the credit for that, because it's making a huge difference. Agi a huge difference. Agi so thank you, on behalf of everybody listening to that everybody's ever listened, and keep doing what you're doing.

Agi Keramidas  41:06  
Thank you very much. Well, that's short, that's in your very, you warmed my heart with what you said. And I allow me also to thank you very much, because, as I have told you in in person, and also have said that publicly, you are one of the most important catalysts in my journey, the last six years of personal development, you have influenced me in so many more ways than you can ever know. So it in a way, it's great to have this conversation on this episode with you. So yes, my appreciation to you also my friend.

Will Polston  41:48  
So what one final thing, thank you. What one final thing? What would be one action point that you would want the listener to go away and implement as a result of being on of having listened to this conversation today?

Agi Keramidas  42:03  
Do you know what? Think of what would you tell your 18 year old self? What's the advice you would? Excuse me is the advice you would give to your 18 year old self? And consider Are you leaving it? Are you actually following that advice. And if you don't take some small action towards starting living, it doesn't have to be something major, as long as you do a tiny little step into that direction. That's, I think that's how it always starts. It starts with a tiny step an intention, and then it builds up gradually over time.

Will Polston  42:48  
Yeah, so I love that. That's great advice. And my also little nugget to add to that is that a decision is never made into action is taken. So lots of people make a decision intellectually and make the decision in their mind. But until an action is taken, then no decisions really been made. So it will look it's been an absolute pleasure to have hosted the 200th episode and I look forward to being welcomed back for the 300 if you have and if I'm not bumped by by Wim Hof Tony Robbins or if Marcus Aurelius somehow mean manages to make some sort of surprise appearance. But it's been it's been a true pleasure. Everybody that's been listening, please leave Agi a five star review. If you've ever listened to any episodes of this episode, just leave him a five star review. He's got over 105 star reviews for his first 100 Flip. Let's get him up to over 200 Now he's in the 200 episodes. So let's do that. Definitely go and head to the show notes. Check out his top five episodes, check out and download the seven steps to creating a podcast it's a fantastic resource and if not for you for now then definitely for someone for the for the future. If you're someone's ever considered starting a podcast, we spoke about making the decision make decision, you got to make it make your action today downloading that resource, get access to it. It's a free resource and it's incredibly useful and if nothing else, it download it so you can share it with somebody else. Agi thank you for being a wonderful guest. Have you got any parting messages or parting comments for everybody that's listening.

Agi Keramidas  44:29  
And thank you first of all will for creating this unique and celebrate story Episode 200. I will apart from my usual phrase, standouts don't fit in. I will say a big thank you to for you listening to the podcast and your support means a lot to me. Please share the podcast with people who think that You think that may enjoy it? Thank you very much and keep listening. I'll see you at episode 300. Hopefully 1000 That's what I'm aiming for.

Will Polston  45:11  
I look forward to Agi it's been a pleasure for everybody listening. I hope you found this beneficial. Until next time, make it happen.

Agi Keramidas  45:18  
Stand out don't fit in. 

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