#385 My interview on "Change Made Easy" podcast.

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Agi Keramidas  0:03  
You are listening to personal development mastery, the podcast that empowers you with the simple and consistent actions you need to create a life of purpose and fulfilment. I am your host Agi Keramidas. And this is episode 385. Today is a unique episode as I am the one being interviewed. In the previous episode on Monday we had Paul Levitin on the podcast talking about how to make change easy and the framework for making the process of personnel chains enjoyable and these years. So in today's episode, you will hear me when I recently appeared as a guest on Polish podcast, which is aptly titled, chains made easy. This conversation touches on a universal desire that many of us have to grow personally and live a more fulfilling life. So whether you're facing a particular talents, feeling stuck in your career, or simply searching for a deeper sense of purpose, the topics discussed today are likely to resonate with you. Before we dive in, if you enjoy listening and appreciate what we're doing here, the simple quick favour I'm asking of you is to click the subscribe button. Now let's get started.

Paul Levitin  1:32  
In your book, 88 actionable insights for life, you talk about the 10 categories for personal growth, could you go into those and either break down all 10, or a handful of the ones that you have found to be the most impactful?

Agi Keramidas  1:49  
Thank you. I'm very glad that I have the book right next to me, because I would be a little bit unprepared to do it by heart. But it's a great question. I will give a little bit of a preface here. So that what I'm about to say makes more sense. So the book is called 88 actionable insights for life. And there are insights that I've gained, either directly or indirectly from my podcast. And because there is my podcast is personal development mastery. So there is a variety of topics. So I broke them down and I separate them into separate categories. So there's 88 insights, they're not randomly scattered in a book, so you don't know where to start. They are categorised, and I think that's very important. So I will share some of the categories. Now the first one, passion and purpose. So actionable insights about, you know, discovering or uncovering your purpose or some reason, particular insight that talks about the you know, how some believe that our purpose must be a grandiose mission, you know, to impact 1 billion people, it's nothing like that. So, there are each of the insights, I will also add this is short. So it is one, two pages the most is three pages long. So they're quite quick to you know, read. So, one category, very important setting goals and achieving them, then I have something that is right down your alley, body health, wellness, then one so important, master your emotions and master your state. Then I have a category of gratitude, which is a trait a state of being it is many things, gratitude, but it is, I believe, one of the cornerstone ingredients in living a happy life a fulfilled life a successful life. And then some more I have our visualisation, some mindset traits, and so on a couple of more, you know, and some final tools so that you know, in a in an overview of some of the the categories one I think one of my personal favourites is mastering your emotional state because as I said, it's so essential. I don't know I can't find a such a strong word to a can't overemphasise. Yeah,

Paul Levitin  4:50  
one. I think it's great how you broke all of this down into categories, small 123 Page insights, as you said, actionable insights, I'm all about action. And with too much information, we get that information overload and we end up just reading or never even reading the book, and it never goes anywhere. So I love that you kept it short and sweet and simple to make this something that people can actually go out and take action with. And I would love for you to expand about the emotional piece because that I think, as you said, is, can't be overstated the importance of this. And while you know, gratitude gets talked about a lot, and obviously health and wellness get talked about a lot. The understanding and controlling your emotions kind of almost underpins all of that. So could you expand on maybe some of the action steps or why you think it's so important and how we can start to wrap our heads around this?

Agi Keramidas  5:45  
Yes, thank you for the question. It certainly underpins other things, because as we all know, when our emotional state is low, then we certainly don't take the same decisions and same actions as we would take all other things being equal, if we were, you know, elated at that time. So the actions, the decisions are different. So the thing with emotions, and emotional state is that many times, unless one, trains, and we'll use that word trains to understand it, and therefore being able to cope with it, if that doesn't happen, it tends to overtake us. And I think, you know, we all can relate to having a sudden urge of anger, for example. And, you know, being in sometimes completely unconscious or unable to stop, it just goes on to intensify. So mastering our ability to handle choosing the words carefully, because it's not changing them, or, let's say handle them or handle ourselves. While they motionless. They're probably even better one way to describe it. It's certainly, I believe, one of the cornerstones of let's watch what I said earlier, the foundations of a happy life fulfilled life success, whatever it is that you want. A, I will tell you asked me about specific actions. And one of them that I'm looking now is, it's great, it's also very practical, it's called to enhance your emotional vocabulary. And, you know, many, I will give an example that I think 99% of the audience will relate if they're not doing it already. So it's the answer to the question, how are you? Which we probably hear, you know, how many times a day so how are you? I'm fine, or, you know, I'm not that good, or something like that. That is it. So that, first of all, is not a conscious response, it's completely automated, at least the vast majority of time you just say something that it's very common. On the other hand, I think that is a, a big, lost opportunity. First of all, to be more self reflective, because at that time, when someone asks you, how are you? I will add here the word How're you feeling? Okay, that's how I would, you know, translates a question. It's a wonderful opportunity to either look at that time, inside of us and describe how we're feeling or something that is, that's also I will put an action before that because that to happen, you need to practice it, otherwise you will, it's easy to return to the default and say, I'm fine, thank you. And then remember, Oh, that guy on the podcast was talking about, you know, reflecting of how I'm feeling, but I forgot. One great practice you can do to enhance it. And, you know, it's, it's all about taking the action, otherwise the theory good. We can talk about wonderful things, but unless you do it, it won't make any difference. So the practice is, if you journal in the morning, to spend, you know, one minute writing down how you're feeling and this can be even one word, but not a word like you know, happy or a free Okay, or a word that is really part of an enhanced vocal. Abdullah and there is an example of vocabulary that was from one of my guests. So I will give an example so that it becomes more clear of what I'm talking about. So he calls it the emotional vocabulary. And let's end it has mean different categories, for example, you could be feeling peaceful, like the bits, the big bracket of peaceful or happy or on the other hand, fearful or confused. Okay, so I'll give a couple of examples. From you know, one of the positives, say, or let's say, states and one of the, the non positive. So instead of happy you could say I feel happy today. But you could all you could say, I feel blood, joyful, cheerful, encouraged, delighted, excited, elated, and proud, hopefully, confident, optimistic, ecstatic, exhilarated. Wonderful. By empty, you know, you can download and have the vocabulary right next to you. But this gives you the ability to be more reflective, because it's not, I'm not just happy, I am excited because of this. And that. So that, and that will bring you back to what I was saying earlier, once you practice this exercise as a journaling exercise the emotional vocabulary when someone asks you, so how are you feeling today, you can actually say what you were build a journaling about. But anyway, so imagine if someone asked you so how are you today, and you say you use the word that you have been journaling about reflected, which is actually your how you're feeling that day. The two benefits that I can directly, you know, imagine coming from that one is that you are more sensitive, self reflexive with your emotions, and therefore, that allows further to improve them at the other. It also gives a great handle to have an intriguing conversation with another human being rather than closing it fine. Thank you. And because if you use and you say, I'm feeling mischievious today, you know, the other person will probably lean in and say, okay, so what do you mean? What? So that's one example. Out of the, you know, mastering your emotional state, for if you enjoy this episode, can you think of one person that would find it useful and share it with them, I'd really appreciate it, it helps the show grow. And you will also be adding value to people you care about. Thank you. And now let's get back to the episode.

Paul Levitin  13:06  
It's really, really interesting and sounds simple. But there's actually so many different pieces of that, that I want to kind of touch on. The first thing is, it's interesting, because I don't think I've ever spoken about this on the podcast. But I actually made a decision years ago, that whenever someone asked me, How are you doing? Or what's up what's going on, that I'll only answer with excellent or amazing, because when I started to learn about the subconscious mind, and I realised that what you say over and over, it gets programmed into your subconscious. And this is when I was working at a gym. So I would be at the gym for eight hours a day. And there's hundreds of members and I knew a lot of them, they always come up to me as they come in and out throughout the day. Again, I'm there all day, but I'm seeing hundreds of different people throughout the day. Hey, Paul, how's it going? Hey, Paul, what's up? And I thought if every time it's fine, okay, it's going, what message is that programming into my subconscious. But if I say amazing, every time 100 times a day, 200 times a day, 300 times a day. What message is that programming into my subconscious mind and ever since then, that's exactly how I asked that's probably the question that we get asked the most out of any question just as humans going throughout our lives. You're at the cash register, you're at the drive thru you're talking to the person at the bank, whatever it is, how you doing? How's it going? First thing when you pick up the phone over and over and over so there's literally programmes us and it's something that we have direct control over. As you said Auggie. It is it is practice but your step goes a little bit deeper than mine because mine was just taking is still a kind of surface level thing but I did I want to flip it to a positive so rather than just being it's okay, it's good. It's amazing. But what I what I like is the digging deeper into the next level. Next layer emotion of of, it's not just happy as US It's elated. It's joyous as all of these different things. Because there's a concept of naming your emotions to be able to claim it right? It's very when everything is just good or bad. It's like well, that's, that's very bland. But when you dig a little bit deeper into the actual real feeling, as you said, mischievious, devious content, these are all different things that have different meanings for us. And it's a layer of introspection, just journaling on it, or even just being open to thinking about this stuff. And starting to catch yourself using these words, start to notice that's the first step start to notice how many times a day you say it's going when someone says, Hey, what's going on, and it's going, that's alright, same old, same old, and start to think what is the messaging you're sending to yourself, and how much more powerful it can be if you just start to decide. Sometimes my day isn't going amazing. But when someone asked me that, and I say, amazing, that's a trigger to my brain to go into gratitude mode. Because if I'm saying it's amazing, there must be a reason that it's amazing. So now I have to look for something that made my day amazing. Well, I woke up today, well, I have electricity, well, I have a great partner, I have a dog, I have all of these things. So even when I want to say it's going, it's whatever, I forced myself into that gratitude mode, which is another one of the 10 categories that you spoke about. So all of this stuff kind of interacts together. And something that I've been hearing you talk about specifically, I'm very keen on words and how we start to shift our words and our verbiage throughout life because I know that our words become our thoughts, our thoughts become our words, but our words also become our thoughts and our thoughts become our actions. So something that I know that you've been talking about on your podcast a lot recently, in August podcast, personal development mastery, one of my favourite podcasts, the the links for everyone listening, in the show notes, I've been interviewed on his show as well. So definitely go check that out. But something I've heard you talk about more recently, is a shift more towards spirituality, that's a word that you've been using a lot. So I'm curious where that came from, and how you see that difference or similarity, or, you know, spirituality compared to personal development? And what those two to mean.

Agi Keramidas  17:27  
It's a great question and a multifaceted one. Also, I will start you move on measuring the wards that become more soldiers. And wards become words, it becomes our world. So they are extremely important. So I'm just emphasising what you said. Regarding spirituality, I have let me put it this way, I have two quite distinct sides. One of them is my left brain analytical, you know, scientist with dentistry degree and a master's degree that requires, you know, evidence requires an intellectual understanding of things. On the other hand, I have a very dominant, I will say, in many ways, and I will explain what I mean by that. Aside, that is spiritual, I'll use the word and I will explain how I mean it, and it is more of a knowing, but not with my mind. And let me explain because we might be getting a bit. I don't want to sound obscure, but part of the reason why this spiritual part of me that really doesn't require the evidence that the other part of me does and often wins. One of the reason I am like that is I will live because of my history when I was I don't remember if we talked about that last time when we met on the podcast, but when I was in university back in, in Greece, my best friend who was starting to be a dentist alongside me, at some point further felt a very strong calling inside of him to pursue a spiritual calling. There was you know, nothing before that all of a sudden just came to him and within six months, he dropped out of dental school and he went to Siberia, to become a shaman. And since that Time, you know, he has travelled the world teaching people and healing. And so what happened was when he started transforming, I was still, you know, very close friends with him so I could see his change his transformation and because we were, you know, so close anything that he would tell, tell me, I would just accept it, I wouldn't I it would bypass my need, you know, to prove what you're saying. So he was telling me and that was, you know, nowadays everyone knows what chakras are or Sri, you know, the astral body maybe or things like that. But back in the day, that was in the 90s. In Greece, where I was, this was not the there was no Internet, there was not, not many people knew what chakras was. So he started teaching me what he was learning. And I could not only understand what you're saying, but I could, you know, he, there was some, let's say, things that I felt that were way beyond the need for proof. Because when you feel something, and the other person describes you, oh, are you feeling this right now? You know, I'm just giving an example. But this shaped me, Paul, very much. And this changed the very much as a person at that time and instilled that element of me that if something and I'm talking completely personally now what, how it works for me if something feels right, so if I hear about it, I'm talking about now. I don't want to, you know, generalise I talk about topics or ideas pertaining to spiritual ideas. So I will say, okay, so if it feels right when I hear it, that's it. I don't need to start researching the internet and reading books about to see whether, you know, the Guru's agree with this? No, it is. And that has really simplified very much my how this feeling or knowing, knowing is probably a better word. So the feeling of this knowing that I am part of a bigger hole, because that is for me, so higher, if you asked me to define spirituality, the simplest way I would put it is that I feel being part of something bigger than me. I'm not, you know, separate us we believe, with our, you know, a goal like identity and so on. So

Paul Levitin  22:57  
what I love there again, words are very important to be you said, you said feeling and then you corrected yourself. And you said a deep knowing and wrote in the beginning, as you're talking about the logical versus the emotional side of your brain. That's what I struggle with. Exactly, right. Very similar backgrounds. You were in dentistry, I was in the health and fitness world. But it's same thing. It's very logic based. It's very science based. So then I come up to now throughout my own personal growth, journey, and reading and going to seminars, and learning about the other side of the universe of life, of spirituality of the things that can't quite be quantified by textbooks are math or science. And yet, these are things that have been known for 1000s of years. And are practised and are felt by the greater net of humanity, right? So when in Russia can feel the same way as someone in America and someone in Istanbul. And we just sort of know. And I feel that a lot of people have this, knowing inside of that, right? We can call it your gut, you can call it intuition. We all have it. But the hard part is trusting it. Because that's everyone has that as a human, where we just go well, like now I kind of I kind of did it I kind of feel that I kind of know it. We all know what we quote unquote, should do. We talked about the shoulds on our last episode. And that's a big one. But we all have this feeling inside of us this knowing this. We are a part of something greater, right? You go out into nature, you see a giant mountain or the ocean or a forest and you're just like there's something out there bigger than us. And yet the hard part is to trust it. So how did you start to cultivate that within yourself? Especially when you have that science logic brain pushing back at every given moment?

Agi Keramidas  24:44  
I liked how you described as you use the word cultivated and it certainly is something that I am still cultivating. have not mastered Eat? There are a few things that come to mind to answer your question. One of them is, you start with smaller things, it's a, you know, a very simple thing to do or don't trust it on whether you are going to take a divorce tomorrow or not. But on smaller decisions, it could be you know, even what to have for lunch or some some simple things like that. Practice it in when I say practices, how I will do it would be to set mentally the question the intention, so what should I have for lunch? And stop and allow for an answer to come? Of course, the question is, is the answer Does the answer come? Indeed, from my intuition? Or does it come from my mind? And that, again, it is, I wish there was a simple way to say that it's a or b. Again, it needs practice, it needs, you know, cultivating it so that you know, where it's coming from. If I were to give some, let's say, characteristics that have helped me distinguish between, you know, whether the response I'm receiving to my question comes from my heart, so I will say, or from my mind, one of them is that the the one that comes from the heart, the soul, the intuition, Paul, I'm using all these words, completely interchangeably, and whatever comes more natural to someone to relate with. When it comes from there, it has for me feeling like it's coming up, maybe from from the heart from the chest, and it's it is like, bubbling, failing it coming up and babbling and very important characteristic. It is not urgent, and it is not something that you think about is oh my god, this is terrible. It's not in my experience anyway. Whereas on the on the other hand, if it is a thought coming from your mind and not from your heart, it has for me the opposite characteristics. It sounds like it is urgent, it sounds like there is some fear element involved. What if element and it feels like for me, like it's falling from the head downwards, it has a heaviness rather than the other the bubbliness that I was saying. So this for me, are you no more of, let's say practical, so I will say ways that you can use to interpret where it's coming from, whether it's coming from, you know, upwards or downwards. So that's one thing. The other I mentioned already to use that with smaller decisions first, and when you gain more confidence in it, then you can certainly trust it for the bigger decisions because you change in a way the more you utilise this, this power, it's really power we have we are connected through the universe, we are connected, we always tap into the infinite intelligence that Napoleon Hill used to call it, however you want to call it the, you know, the one mind or whatever else. So that's, you know that what came to mind as an immediate answer to your question, Paul, there are still some other things I can discuss. Or note, what do you think?

Paul Levitin  29:18  
I love the analogy or the use case that you give for something as small and as simple as choosing what to eat. Because this is a huge one that people overcomplicate so much. You know, as a nutrition coach, people come to me all the time. And what they think that I'm going to do is tell them what to eat. That's what they want. They're like, just just tell me what to eat. And I always have to say, You know what, he you know exactly what to do. One you know, the information, you know that McDonald's is probably bad for you and that a salad is probably good for you. But you also know how things make you feel. All the time people will tell me that well I binge eat and then I feel like garbage the next day. It's like, well, you don't need any more information than that. You're doing things that make you feel bad. Same thing with exercise. And people go, Oh, when I skip a workout, I feel like crap. And when I work out, I feel good afterwards, when I spend time with my kids, and I'm present with them, it feels amazing. When I spend time with my kids, and I'm on my phone or answering emails, I'm angry, and I'm yelling at them. So it's, it's so simple. And yet the simplest things tend to be the hardest to do. And we end up ignoring them because of whatever reason that's right in front of our face. So I love I love that you gave that as an example. Because we overcomplicate this stuff so much. And we think that we need these complex, convoluted answers, give me a step by step plan, give me this, this and that. And at the end of the day, if you just listen to yourself, and do what you know, to be the right thing to do, you always know the right answer. Should I yell at my, my spouse? Or should I have a have a nice conversation with them? Should I eat the healthy meal? Or should I eat the junk food? Should I sit around watching Netflix? Or should I go and play with my kids? Like it's it's so binary, it's so obvious, but the rush of the world kind of piles on to us. And that tips, the scale in the favour of the negative thing because we think we have to do that thing. And something that we talked about our last episode was the concept of addition, by subtraction, doing less so that we can do more because we always feel like we have to do more and more and more. And yet somehow often the thing that we know that that one truth that knowingness is that like doing less is the ideal we have too much that we're doing at all times, and somehow doing less is what we all want to do, even if we don't verbalise it consciously like that. So I'm curious if in your transition into more spirituality, into being an author and to all of the things that you're doing now, what did you have to give up? Or do less up?

Agi Keramidas  31:57  
Great question. Some essential things, Paul, is the answer that comes like immediately and out, let me explain what I mean. Like you and most people listening now that are on a path of growth will have the tendency, you know, to fill our plates, and we'll say with loads of stuff, and whenever something interesting catches our attention, we want to do that, as well, even though we don't have the time horse, could be a course it could be an idea could be all sorts of different things. Much, because we are on that path, and we want to grow, we get all those things. One of the things that to answer your question that I have stopped doing is actions, that at some point in the past, I thought this is something good to do. Let me give you an example. So that a more specific example that comes to my mind was was up to recently thinking of creating an elaborate funnel for my book, which would you know, without getting too technical, it would, you know, direct the people on a second page and then on the third page, and then I realise that, yes, I can do that. But the amount of effort and time and resources, if I do it myself, needed for that are not worth it. And that was something that more than logically, of course, I can see logically if you know, you put down some numbers and you see that, okay, it could have this outcome or generate these kinds of sales, etc, or not. But the numbers aside for me, when I looked at it, and thought that was quite recently, actually it was last week. So it's interesting that I'm talking about it now. I looked at it and said, you know, in the process of it's the beginning of 2024, it's still January, they're still I don't know about you, but I'm still haven't finalised the goals for the year. I'm still working with them as I, you know, as they come to me more clearly now. So when I looked at this particular action that I had since last year, to do to create that funnel. It was instinctively or intuitively but a word. Looking at it, it didn't make sent to dedicate time to that right now. Other things, you know, other habitual bits and pieces similar to this, but I just wanted to give a specific example related to my business, but there are similar actions about, you know, what I will eat or not eat or, you know, it's elimination, but using my inner knowing some will say what you were saying earlier, if you pay attention, you have the inner knowing, if you eat something, and you don't feel well afterwards, or your energy drops, make a note of it, I mean, it's all you need to do is pay attention. So it is similar and you get similarly. And that will happen with me, I removed actions that I don't know if they would move the needle, or, you know, I'm not sure. But they, it felt like, this is really not the time to spend on this thing anymore. And I don't feel any bad about it is because, you know, I have this connection, this knowing this belief, that my path, that I am on the right path. And I think that is, you know, something, again, that you can cultivate it is you it's something that you, you gain, it is inner strength in a way or, you know, self mastery to be able to have this belief or this conviction that even though you know, the, let's say the financial situation is bad, I've still feel that I'm looking in the right direction. And that's something that, you know, you can either feel it, or not feel it. So, yeah, so that's, you know, doing more should less. Yeah, hold less. Yeah, that's, I,

Paul Levitin  37:12  
I definitely agree. And, again, we've used that inner knowing that inner compass, whatever you want to call it. And, you know, we talked about already learning to trust that we all have that inside of us. And it's something that I've seen, we each spoke spoke about this a little bit before we started recording that my goal with this podcast is to find that golden thread of success that all people who are successful in all areas in all endeavours have commonalities in their actions and their thoughts and their beliefs and their patterns. And following that inner compass, that Guiding Light, that knowing is one of those things, and it leads everyone down the same path because all of the most successful people in any area of life will tell you the same things of how they got there. We think that it's this big secret. But when you start to dig into it, it's a handful of concepts of habits of thoughts of beliefs. So I'm curious because you have a podcast with hundreds of episodes where you've interviewed just as I have hundreds and hundreds of successful entrepreneurs, CEOs, thought leaders, teachers, different things like that. So what are some of the golden threads of success? One or two that you found that tie all of the most successful people together no matter what their pursuit is?

Agi Keramidas  38:37  
To get great question, and you know what we have been talking for the majority of the conversation mastering your emotional state and having some underlying belief in. You might not want to call it spirituality, you might want to call it your life's path or your mission or your North Star Wars, it doesn't really matter, but having that belief, gratitude pole is another thing that, you know, you mentioned that it comes up all the time, maybe not directly in the 10 gratitude, but maybe indirectly, it it comes through and it's no surprise really, I mean, when you are ungrateful for your life. I can't think right now if someone you're successful and want to be successful, I don't mean the external success, you know, that someone might have 10s of millions in the bank and being miserable. So that's not good. And ungrateful. That's not what I mean success, success. I mean, how you feel, that for me that success starts with how you feel if I feel like I'm a multimillionaire, that is Really what is important rather than being a multimillionaire and feeling crap? Yeah,

Paul Levitin  40:05  
well, it's exactly that it's, you know, where we started in the beginning with those those 10 categories. That's kind of how I look at this, those those, you know, we have the action steps where you go a level up to the categories. And these are the general themes that we start to see, you know, these words get thrown around, gratitude, consistency, and Mastering your emotions. These are things that some people, we have to teach them and cultivate them in ourselves. But some people are just born with them and have them inherently. And when you look at the most successful people, success leaves clues as finding those clues that lead to success that are available for everyone. This is not secret stuff. This is stuff that's out there for every one of us. And those clues are out there. And if we can follow them, we can see that there is a roadmap that's left for us. And that's why I love your book, actionable insights that the 10 categories, these are the things that I'm looking for, it's like, okay, you start to see a pattern of like, these are the things that all of the successful people are doing, again, either consciously, some Yes, but subconsciously, some people don't realise it's what they're doing. But it is what they're doing. They've cultivated it in themselves, by accident, because that's how their parents were, because that's how they were raised. Because that's the community they grew up in. It's kind of like the visual people talk about the Blue Zones, these areas where people live longer than everyone else. And it's nothing that they're doing consciously or purposely it's just the the world that they live in is different than the world that we live in. And you can take that and put that into a mindset and cultivate and just be like some people live in a different world. The people who are these successful tech entrepreneurs, they live in a world where failure isn't an option where they were always going to be Elon Musk lives in a fantasy world. And yet he's created a fantasy world and made it into reality. Because in his brain, he's like, Yeah, I'm just gonna go to Mars. And like, he just did it. He's like, I'm gonna make electric cars that everyone thinks are cool. Before Tesla, everyone thought electric cars were for nerds and losers. And now, Tesla's are the coolest car in the country is like, this guy just lives in a dream world. But there was no way where he was going to fail. And he made it into reality, whatever you think about demand for good or for bad. So I love again, everything that you're doing, and actionable insights, you know, 88 actionable insights is the name of the book again, linked in the show notes for everyone. I highly recommend checking it out. And I ask every interview, every person I talked to on the show, I've asked you in the past, the last time you were here, but for one action step for listeners to start living a happier, healthier life, as soon as this episode ends, and you've given us already they can go get the book. But if you had to pick just one thing to leave listeners with right now, what would that action step be?

Agi Keramidas  42:40  
Thank you, I will. Let me quickly say that my intention with the book and actually I if I may, I would like to offer the book as a gift to your listeners, Paul's the electronic version of the book. So if you go to academy.com/ 88, you, you will be able to download the book. And my intention with the book is out of those eight data insights to find one, if you find more, that's great. But if you find one insight that resonates and you take it into practice into it, you take action on it, that can change your life. So that is for me, you know, the purpose of the book has been fulfilled, if you find that insight that resonates and look at that, read the book and I've done this since then I started meditating or whatever. And to answer directly your question, I will bring it back to what we were saying earlier about the mastering your emotional state and the emotional vocabulary in particular. So I would invite us in action starting now or tomorrow morning. Write down a few words about how you're feeling. Try to explore and take take a minute you know take a minute really silence in think about okay, how am I feeling right now and allow the answers to come in just write it down tomorrow write it down and then you know a couple of days write it down and you know that's for me the the invitation. Miracles can happen on the other side of it. Don't underestimate how powerful it is.

Paul Levitin  44:37  
Amazing and thank you so much for that gift offering that your book for free to everyone listening. That's incredibly generous of you and I highly encourage everyone to go download that and as Auggie said you take one thing even away from that book of the ADA, actionable insights, even just one could change your life. So I appreciate that. I have all these links for the book is website, his podcast all of the show notes so go check him out, get into what he's doing. Auggie. Thank you so much for being here. I really enjoyed this conversation.

Agi Keramidas  45:11  
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